Doesn't the service industry preclude communist revolt?

[Al B. Sure!]

there aint much of a proleteriat in the US and Europe. Theres some "lumpen proletariat" but we're mostly a society of "petty bourgeious" and clerks. most American jobs are service-related. where are the factory workers to organize and lead onto proletariat dictatorship? Chegitz?

[Giancarlo]

Most commie revolutions happen in 3rd world countries with big outmoded heavy industries and farming sectors.

[Al B. Sure!]

yes apparently, the communists have globalized marx's historical theory and now see the entire West as bourgeious oppressors of the entire third world proletariat. so have they given up on revolt in America and Europe?

[Nubclear]

0/10.

Communism can't work in America because there aren't enough tanks to go around.

[Flip McWho]

I can't possibly see communism working in America. In fact most of the western countries I couldn't see it working in.

[Dis]

yes communism will work in american. It's a slow progression. It will take another century or two to finish the brainwashing.

I, of course, will fight against that.

[Flip McWho]

Ahhh yes over a bloody long timeline then sure I suppose anything is possible. But for the moment capitalism is very much in the blood.

[Giancarlo]

Well I must be honest, commie revolutions only happen in places where people don't have proper education. They get duped easily into believeing something that will destroy themselves.

[Flip McWho]

I'm tending to agree.

[GePap]

To answer the question, no, it does not.

The point being that at some point, capitalism will have built its antithetical forces up enough to bring the system crashing down.

The one factor delaying the "revolution" is the welfare state. It minimizes the misery that capitalism can cause. Ending the welfare state is the fastest way to speed up the revolution.

[chequita guevara]

Re: Doesn't the service industry preclude communist revolt?

Originally posted by Albert Speer
there aint much of a proleteriat in the US and Europe. Theres some "lumpen proletariat" but we're mostly a society of "petty bourgeious" and clerks. most American jobs are service-related. where are the factory workers to organize and lead onto proletariat dictatorship?

proletariat != factory workers.
proletariat= those who have nothing to sell but their ability t do work

That means a lot of service workers are proletarians. The vast majority of people in the U.S. and Europe are proles. Our productivity is just so great that we can live a "middle-class" life-style.

The real middle-classes are people who own their own small means of production, such as farmers and shop keepers, and also those who sell trained services, from land scapers to laywers. The people who work for them, however, are proles.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap
The one factor delaying the "revolution" is the welfare state. It minimizes the misery that capitalism can cause. Ending the welfare state is the fastest way to speed up the revolution.

Some would say it just previews the misery to be expected of total communism.

[GePap]

Since in 'classical marxism', the revolution comes at the point of Capitalism's highest productivity-no, I don;t expect anything like the capitalism welfare state.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
yes apparently, the communists have globalized marx's historical theory. . .

No, just the Maoists.

[Spiffor]

As Che said, the proles can work in any field, as long as they can sell nothing else than their workforce. A McJob can be easily considered as prole-ish as a job in the factory.

What makes the revolution unlikely in our western societies is that, thank welfare, people do not live in utter misery. Most of today's workers have some comfort they could lose in a revolution, much more so than the Russian peasants and workers of 1917.