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  • #61
    Kerry really ****ed up this time. Sadr's militia killed more than 30 troops.
    Fez, that doesn't define a terrorist movement, or even necessarily a criminal movement. Hell, if Sadr and the rest of the terrorists simply went after the military and occupying forces, and did their best to avoid civilians, none of them would be terrorists, and they would probably receive a lot more international support. Trying to shoot soldiers who are occupying your country isn't necessarily wrong.
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    • #62
      I gotta agree with GePap and Ramo and others on this thread. Sadr's voice IS legitimate! Anyone who truely believes in freedom of speech CANNOT say otherwise without seeming like a big hypocrite! Secondly, it is a 'sort of' terrorist alignment of the newspaper, because it hasn't come out and said it backs terrorism or provided money for terrorism, but tended to back groups which have backed terrorism. Thirdly, Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        I gotta agree with GePap and Ramo and others on this thread.
        Was it the most politically expedient thing to say about "the beating arm for Hezbollah and Hamas here in Iraq" (His words) or the most opportune moment to do so?
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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        • #64
          It was the statement which shows he actually has a brain.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #65
            That's not much of a qualification for the Presidency

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              It was the statement which shows he actually has a brain.
              That's not the question I asked. If you want to quibble about the truth of his statements, I'm more than willing to do so. I asked if you believe it was smart of him to say it at all and then back away from it in the same interview.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #67
                I don't give a **** about the question you asked. It's 7 months until the election, it matters not from a political point of view.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  I don't give a **** about the question you asked. It's 7 months until the election, it matters not from a political point of view.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #69
                    This is sad.

                    Feed votes to greedy millionaires that know NOTHING of what they do.

                    I say, go for a Technocracy! Government by skilled technicians, not wealthy fops.
                    Geniuses are ordinary people bestowed with the gift to see beyond common everyday perceptions.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by David Floyd


                      Fez, that doesn't define a terrorist movement, or even necessarily a criminal movement. Hell, if Sadr and the rest of the terrorists simply went after the military and occupying forces, and did their best to avoid civilians, none of them would be terrorists, and they would probably receive a lot more international support. Trying to shoot soldiers who are occupying your country isn't necessarily wrong.


                      Sadr not a terrorist? What are you on? Sadr is a terrorist and his movement is a terrorist gropu. They killed civilians, they used human shields in cities and they took up positions in cities. That is avoiding civilians? Bull****. Occupying?

                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #71
                        Fez, you didn't even address his post. He never claimed Sadr wasn't a terrorist, he claimed that merely killing American soldiers doesn't make one a terrorist (which is completely true).

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Kucinich
                          Fez, you didn't even address his post. He never claimed Sadr wasn't a terrorist, he claimed that merely killing American soldiers doesn't make one a terrorist (which is completely true).
                          Yes it does.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #73
                            So the Germans fighting in the trenches in WWI were terrorists, because they killed American troops?

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Kucinich
                              So the Germans fighting in the trenches in WWI were terrorists, because they killed American troops?
                              Well I'm talking about the ones in Iraq, especially after the defeat of the Iraqi military.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #75
                                So what? Simply killing American soldiers - in fact, even killing American civilians - does not make one a terrorist. A guy who kills his wife because he thinks she's sleeping with another guy is not a terrorist. Terrorism is not defined as killing people, it is defined as killing people through certain means.

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