John Kerry: Sadr "Legitimate", Hamas and Hezbollah "sort of" Terrorist

[GePap]

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[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
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How so? This seems much more substantive than the other "flaps" Kerry has created.

[Adam Smith]

Speaking of Hypocrisy ...

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Hezbollah have never been a terror group. ...
They cannot by any strecth of the imagination be called a terror group, ...
By maintaining that they are a terrorist group the one's who do lose any credibility, if they even had one to begin with.

That's mighty fancy footwork Tripledoc ... omitting the part of the Washington Institute article that completely sinks your argument, then claiming the US is hypocritical for dealing with these people. Its not at all clear you can have it either way, but you certainly can't have it both ways. The sections you did not see fit to quote are as follows...

That Iranian-backed and -funded group has been implicated in the attacks against the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut that killed 241 Americans in 1982, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut that killed 12 Americans in 1984, the Israeli Embassy and Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires that killed 85 people in 1994 and numerous other terrorist attacks, murders and kidnappings over the years. ...
As Al Manar's Chairman of the Board Nayef Krayem said to me, "There is no act of resistance that can be classified as terrorism." It is no surprise then that Al Manar's programming glorifies suicide bombers, exhorts Palestinians to kill Jews and revels in the carnage of terrorist attacks on civilians. The fact that Al Manar almost always has immediate footage of terrorist outrages or Hezbollah attacks across the Israel-Lebanon border adds to the speculation that Al Manar officials are themselves party to Hezbollah's operational planning. As emerged during a recent North Carolina trial of two Hezbollah operatives, Al Manar employees conduct pre-operational surveillance of potential targets and engage in other logistical and financial support activities for terrorist acts.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
How so? This seems much more substantive than the other "flaps" Kerry has created.

How? Its the same crap as always. I am sorry, but I dopn;t buy the soundbite culture, and this is what this was.

We have 7 months of the future to go, and while there will be a very very small number of undecideds who will make this central to their reason not to vote for Kerry, most people's minds won;t be changed. Just like at the thread-save for tripledoc, it approcaes one of those "circlejerks" the rightwingers here like to claim occurs all the time.

Give Kerry and Bush 1 hour each to lay out their opinions-then I might care. Otherwise:

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[MrFun]

Does Kerry want to lose the presidential campaign?

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
How so? This seems much more substantive than the other "flaps" Kerry has created.

I am past the sound bite culture.

If the voters want to focus more on a passing soundbite than policy or record, they will, and I could not give a **** anymore.

Let the ranters and ravers in the right go off-they always do. I don;t give a **** about them. And as for the centirst-if they forgive Bush all his sins cause Kerry said this-well, they will deserve what they will get.

[Q Classic]

Where have all good men gone
And where are all the gods?
Where’s the street-wise Hercules
To fight the rising odds?

...

I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the end of the night
He’s gotta be strong
And he’s gotta be fast
And he’s gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I’m holding out for a hero ‘til the morning light
He’s gotta be sure
And it’s gotta be soon
And he’s gotta be larger than life

well, not quite the interpretation of the song...
but in all seriousness, it's killing me here. we've had tweedledee and tweedledum in ever election since 1992...
and no honorable person has stood up and tried taking the reins of leadership, so we have people with **** for brains in power and running for power.

i'm ****ing sick and tired of having to base my vote off of who'll be the lesser evil. it's ****ing retarded.

[GePap]

but in all seriousness, it's killing me here. we've had tweedledee and tweedledum in ever election since 1992...

So you liked Dukakis?

[Q Classic]

at the time, gepap, i was 5. mom liked bush, and i had no political notions then.

the reason she didn't like dukakis was perfectly legitimate, too, looking back on it: dukakis didn't quite like the status quo of keeping so many boys in skorea.

[GePap]

Do you honestly think anyone you would think "honorable" would be stupid enough to wade into modern national politics?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
If the voters want to focus more on a passing soundbite than policy or record, they will, and I could not give a **** anymore.

Well most voters don't really know Kerry. It's a consequence of the Dems having a sweetheart primary where they were runiing against Bush instead of each other. Kerry also doesn't seem to be doing a very good job a defining himself thus far either.

As to record: That doesn't really seem to be something that inspires much confidence considering the shear number of flip-flops on major policy issues and the fact he seems to be trying to run from his liberal credentials and claiming to be centrist.

[Q Classic]

Do you honestly think anyone you would think "honorable" would be stupid enough to wade into modern national politics?

hope springs eternal.

but seriously, if one believes that nobody honorable would volunteer for it, does one not think it is a sign that the system is broken and needs either a wholesale transfusion or an outright transplant?

[The diplomat]

I think Kerry let slip a hint of what he really believes. He is a big time liberal that is trying to hide it from the american people because he knows it would doom his chances.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well most voters don't really know Kerry. It's a consequence of the Dems having a sweetheart primary where they were runing against Bush instead of each other. Kerry also doesn't seem to be doing a very good job a defining himself thus far either.

Most high level dems though Bush was unbeatable come December, so they did not get in. After it was clear this was not true, too many people went with "electability", which is a terrible thing to go on.

As to record: That doesn't really seem to be something that inspires much confidence considering the shear number of flip-flops on major policy issues and the fact he seems to be trying to run from his liberal credentials and claiming to be centrist.

1, Talk about flip-flops? Kerry flops verbally before making a decision. Bush pulls of Grand, immense reversals and then chalk it up to learning. I guess the BIG LIE still works marvelously.

2. Bush claimed to be a centrist and it worked wonders for him. I would prefer Kerry saying "yes, I am a liberal, and better than that a lying, decietful, secretive bunch of ****ers who are in the WH", but then he would be accused of cursing again, and we could never have that.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
but seriously, if one believes that nobody honorable would volunteer for it, does one not think it is a sign that the system is broken and needs either a wholesale transfusion or an outright transplant?

Yes, the system does not a massive overhaul, beginning with the witless uninvolved public that whines all the time but never gets of their ass and decides to act like citizens and not simply consumers.