The British National Party

[Az]

Azazel- I'd rather buy the best product. British companies ahould manufacture in Britain though and have a responsibility the community where they are based.

That's interesting. Thank you.

[Starchild]

Originally posted by Derekrage
Lazarus-

English, everybody speaks English

British customs.

British way of life.

Lazarus, I understand what you're getting at, I used to get this question a lot when campaigning for the BNP. Compare Britain to Italy, what sets us apart? It is our language, customs and way of life. That is what makes a country different and unique, do you really believe that there is no such thing as a British or Scottish, English and Welsh culture?

But having a British culture doesn't mean we should fear assimilating other cultures into it. Afterall, as you put said, the three countries mixed and combined cultures to get the overall British culture. So I don't see why we won't be able to mix and combine immigrant cultures into ours.

I mean, I eat sushi and drink Vietnamese coffee, listen to Bhangrha music and Britrock, wear American clothing labels made in Cambodia that have special pockets for my Japanese-Korean electronics manufactured in China. I can match French wines with Thai curries served in my Morroccon themed kitchen. And I still consider myself as British as the old guy down the road that likes warm beer, bland food, and cricket after church on sundays. So if I can intergrate all the outside influences into my core of what it means to be British, then why should I fear immigration or free trade or the EU or anything else that the UK is "under threat" from? What it means to be British today is different from what it meant 100 years ago. It'll be different 100 years in the future. The way of governing the UK politically and economically is different today than it was in the past or will be in the future. Things change. It's futile to throw up barriers and draw lines in the sand to resist that change because history doesn't stop moving. Nothing is permenant and if you disagree with that, then you've gotta take it up with Siddhatthra the Buddha.

As for everyone speaking English...tell that to the Glaswegians.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Derekrage

The common culture of Britain is simply our language, customs and way of life.
I never said being conquered would lead to the elimination of a culture, I said that their culture was assimilated, which it was. Wales was treated like a part of England by English and British rulers for a long time and their language was almost killed off.

Since you've neatly sidestepped the question YET AGAIN, I'll reiterate- what is this common British culture? What are British customs? What is the British way of life?

What exactly does someone from Bangor whose first language is Welsh have in common with an Orkneyman or an Essex woman?

If you say a common language, I can say there are plenty of Indians, Jamaicans, Singaporeans and South Africans who all fit that bill.

If you say a common culture, I can say that British Catholics do not necessarily have the same culture as British Protestants, or that British working class people do not have the same culture as the Duke of Norfolk, or the British middle class.

What links Up Helly Aa with the Welsh Eisteddfod or the Cornish Gorsedd? The fact that they take place in separate parts of a collection of countries which have the same sovereign?

If so, then the Melbourne Jazz Festival is also 'British', as is the French Canadian Comedy Festival and the Carnival in Trinidad and the Diwali Lights in Leicester.

I'd hate to think what constitutes your definition of distinctively 'British' culture or customs- the kind of tight arsed mediocre philistinism espoused by Thatcher or the shell suit horror of the Sun readership in full flight.

[Derekrage]

But having a British culture doesn't mean we should fear assimilating other cultures into it. Afterall, as you put said, the three countries mixed and combined cultures to get the overall British culture. So I don't see why we won't be able to mix and combine immigrant cultures into ours.

My problem is not really with the concept of immigration itself, it is with the scale of it. Go in to many streets in England today and you would think you had been teleported to the middle-east somewhere, there are mosques everywhere and people speaking Arabic. This kind of thing makes me fell sick, if you want to live like an Arab then stay in the Middle East but in England 'do as the English do'.

Things change

Indeed, but we should try to make them change for the better instead of accepting change that is not beneficial.

Since you've neatly sidestepped the question YET AGAIN, I'll reiterate- what is this common British culture? What are British customs? What is the British way of life?

You can't say exactly what a culture is, but I believe it to be the collection of all our customs and traditions that makes Britain unique in the world.

I'd hate to think what constitutes your definition of distinctively 'British' culture or customs- the kind of tight arsed mediocre philistinism espoused by Thatcher or the shell suit horror of the Sun readership in full flight.

I never voted for Thatcher and I don't read the sun.

[Solly]

Crime is high and the BNP will counter it

(Parents car got stolen from the driveway last night and ended up in Liverpool)

[Whaleboy]

See. This is where utilitarian arguments get you.

That's a good thing sweetie

My problem is not really with the concept of immigration itself, it is with the scale of it. Go in to many streets in England today and you would think you had been teleported to the middle-east somewhere, there are mosques everywhere and people speaking Arabic. This kind of thing makes me fell sick, if you want to live like an Arab then stay in the Middle East but in England 'do as the English do'.

I provide they are law abiding. You have yet to explain "why" to us.

Indeed, but we should try to make them change for the better instead of accepting change that is not beneficial.

Subjective. There is greater weight of evidence that it is beneficial.

You can't say exactly what a culture is, but I believe it to be the collection of all our customs and traditions that makes Britain unique in the world.

If you call that a culture, then it is arbitrary and constantly changing, as it would do if we put a big "keep out" sign over Dover harbour. The principles behind that changing dynamic are the things we should be concentrating on, and those are principles of tolerance and individuality.

I never voted for Thatcher and I don't read the sun.

Nick Griffin and the Daily Sport right?

(Parents car got stolen from the driveway last night and ended up in Liverpool)

Oh my god! Let's advocate a load of nazis (but shhhh cos labelling them national socialists, which they are will lose them votes) so they can bring back the death penalty so Park Avenues family can see some kid hung drawn and quartered, and Park Avenue can show a pair of picked 15 year old testicles in a guerkin jar to his grandchildren and say "look kids, I'm an idiot"

[Derekrage]

I provide they are law abiding. You have yet to explain "why" to us.

Why what? If you mean why am I against large scale immigration it is because it is not needed at the moment, imo it has a negative effect on our culture and it creates segregation and a lot of problems that we would not have to deal with if we hadn't of let them in.

If you call that a culture, then it is arbitrary and constantly changing, as it would do if we put a big "keep out" sign over Dover harbour. The principles behind that changing dynamic are the things we should be concentrating on, and those are principles of tolerance and individuality.

Yes it would our culture would change I don't dispute that fact, and to the keep out sign.

Nick Griffin and the Daily Sport right?

Spot on!
Before I joined the BNP I had always voted Labour, being in a Labour heartland and from a working class family I never really considered voting any differently until a few years back and who was I going to vote for? The Tories , I would never trust the Lib Dems to run the country ever (they would probably end up giving the whole thing away to the UN or EU!), so I voted BNP, the party of the British people.

[Solly]

I don't think so Whaleboy..anyway the car has been found in Liverpool They managed to track it.

[Whaleboy]

Why what? If you mean why am I against large scale immigration it is because it is not needed at the moment, imo it has a negative effect on our culture and it creates segregation and a lot of problems that we would not have to deal with if we hadn't of let them in.

Why Muslims practicing their culture here makes you sick.

Yes it would our culture would change I don't dispute that fact, and to the keep out sign.

The culture would change regardless of keep out sign. However, it would change in a somewhat more liberal and educated direction were we to be approached by another culture, that, and this is the key thing, is integrated properly (which is currently not the case due to a flawed policy of multiculturalism).

I voted BNP, the party of the British people.

I hardly think that National Socialism is representative of the British people .

I would never trust the Lib Dems to run the country ever (they would probably end up giving the whole thing away to the UN or EU!),

If only....

From Park Avenues sig:

"Should Britain do without healthcare?" Yes.
Whaleboy. Just laugh.

Where in hell did I say that?

[Derekrage]

Why Muslims practicing their culture here makes you sick.

Because this is Britain not Arabia.

The culture would change regardless of keep out sign. However, it would change in a somewhat more liberal and educated direction were we to be approached by another culture, that, and this is the key thing, is integrated properly (which is currently not the case due to a flawed policy of multiculturalism).

But I don't want the country to go in a more liberal direction, yet another reason against multi-culturism.

I hardly think that National Socialism is representative of the British people .

We'll see...Especially if the Muslims pull off a successful terrorist attack, which I believe is only a matter of time

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by Derekrage
Because this is Britain not Arabia.

Most GB muslims come from Pakistan. which *was* Britain 60 years ago

For the last time not all Muslims are Arabs. How do you feel about white Muslims?

[Whaleboy]

Because this is Britain not Arabia.

This is Britain, not Caucasia, so why should we support white people being here?

But I don't want the country to go in a more liberal direction, yet another reason against multi-culturism.

Why not? What's wrong with more education, more civil rights, more consideration and more tolerance?

We'll see...Especially if the Muslims pull off a successful terrorist attack, which I believe is only a matter of time

Not the muslims, the terrorists. That the terrorists are Muslim does not mean that Muslims are terrorists. Learn you necessary and sufficient conditions, or continue to support the hypothesis that the BNP and its supporters a racist. Know that statements such as yours are only helping your opposing argument and weakening your own position, its basic critical theory.

I don't doubt of course, that if there is another 9/11 here, that people will be scared, they will be angry, they will be emotional, they will be filled with hatred and they will target Muslims, the convenient scapegoat. I don't deny that in such a situation, britain would become like nazi Germany in terms of its attitudes, stoked by people like the BNP. The arbitary nature of popular opinion is part of the reason I don't like to use it for political decisions, but it seems that the BNP and the like are only able to play upon peoples fears, insecurities and lack of education because their actual arguments are so irrational and logically flawed.

[Derekrage]

For the last time not all Muslims are Arabs. How do you feel about white Muslims?

Well I was going to say something along the line of traitors, but I suppose they have a right to believe in whatever religion they want, however I will have no respect for them if they consider themselves Muslim first then British.

[Evil Knevil]

Originally posted by Derekrage


Well I was going to say something along the line of traitors, but I suppose they have a right to believe in whatever religion they want, however I will have no respect for them if they consider themselves Muslim first then British.

How about all British Catholics who view the pope above GB? Or Scots who view the Kirk above GB?

Personally, I'm against those who put their nation above anything else.

[Whaleboy]

Well I was going to say something along the line of traitors, but I suppose they have a right to believe in whatever religion they want, however I will have no respect for them if they consider themselves Muslim first then British.

Well done on the first change of heart.... but to your latter point; why not?