The British National Party

[Solly]

And the Champs League spot, to deny Liverpool scum.

[Derekrage]

Same here, this year is my 25th as a supporter (since I was 7).

Are you from Newcastle?

I was in Newcastle last August and went to the Man U game. Got to say that the ground is a lot nicer than it was the last time I was in the UK (when that **** Ardiles was in charge).

Yep its changed a lot, one of the best stadiums in the country now. But there are times when I miss the 'good old days'

Here's hoping that they make the UEFA cup final.

It's going to be tough especially with Woodgate out but I've just got a feeling that this is going to be our year, mind you I had that feeling in 96 aswell.

And the Champs League spot, to deny Liverpool scum.

I'm confident that we will, hopefully

[Whaleboy]

I am in favour of rejecting all asylum seekers not a vote on individual claims. The majority of people are against asylum or are for a very limited number of asylum seekers so why force them on people against their will?
It's not like we're taking rights away from British citizens so it is not tyranny of the majority.

But a tyranny against other people, and you have failed to provide a satisfactory distinction. Furthermore, environmental sociological change is not forcing something on another, since that requires direct imposition that is not occuring here.

What are Sephardic Jews? I would not be against it unless their was an insane amount of them.

As opposed to the Ashkenazi. There are a large number of Sephardic Jews, many of whom live in Ghetto's (but nice ghettos) in London, but also reasonably well integrated due to the time they have been here. There was an intensely hostile reaction to their arrival from people like you throughout history, using the same arguments that you use today.

From news stories and from people telling me what it is like. I have been to Egypt though (my wife wanted to see the pyramids) and from what I saw it looked a hell of a lot like Saudi Arabia was reported, except Saudi Arabia is supposed to be even worse.

Saudi isn't so great, Jordan is ok. I suggest you find more objective sources for your information. Try historical or sociological reports, or perhaps compare several news sources.

Well I disagree with him on this issue ( if he really is an anti-semite), I never spoke to him personally for more than a few seconds but in the speaches I attended he never expressed any dislike of the Jews.

I think you'll find that he, like many of the BNP hoarde, are anti-Semitic.

Ideally it would help the immigrants to assimilate, by helping instill a common set of stories and images, a national pride, and a common set of values. Historically public education in the US, including our stilted civics curricula (not curriculum, since each state sets its own) played an important role in such assimilation. If, like me, you SUPPORT immigration, it is essential that assimilation be provided for. Im not sure that a "neutral", "socractic" civics and history curriculum does that effectively. I think it depends on age, as well. Whats appropriate for an elementary schooler is not appropriate for a high schooler (apoligies for using US terms for levels of education)

Agreed, though assimilation is a completely different thing to integration, and while I oppose the former, I support the latter, providing that laws are followed of course. In terms of us at home? I'd rather we receive an objective education, since most of our socialisation into British customs is primary sociolation, i.e., family. Immigrants don't generally have that benefit thus education should provide for that, and to that extent, we concur.

I know Nick Griffin was the national organiser for the National Front, like I said before though it didn't really bother me. I disagree with Nick Griffin on a few things and the BNP on a few things, but overall the BNP's official policies I support.

With a history like that of the BNP? You would be foolish to look at their policies, partly because they are incoherent BS as I hope to have shown, and partly because the members have a wholly different agenda than they like people to think (for the sake of popularity of course).

He'd rape his own granny for cash or a few council seats. I bet he's laughing like a drain about the fact that people are naive or plain evil enough to support his scum**** party.

Lazarus, I do not care if you call me racist or evil because in the here and now the BNP's policies are the best for the British people and the only hope to keep British cities for the British people.

C- on the propaganda-style language you're using. E- on the critical content.

"BNP's policies are the best for the British people"

Purely economically I'd have to disagree.

Though even as an economist I'd have to question whether the pursuit of GDP above everything is a wise move...

Agreed. But then, does one expect good economic credentials from communists like the BNP?

Park Avenue - Money isn't everything

Politically speaking, it will determine success or failure, the productivity, the happiness and the influence of a nation. If you want to be nationalistic, then you want to avoid the BNP like there's no tomorrow. The lib-dems economic policy looks pretty good at the moment if I may recommend them?

[Solly]

Politically speaking, it will determine success or failure, the productivity, the happiness and the influence of a nation.

The happiness? You sure about that? Much has been written and found to the contrary.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Derekrage

Are you from Newcastle?

No. My family comes from there. My grandparents live in Bedlington and my uncle Ray is a commentator for Radio Tyneside (I think that's their name). I always go whenever I'm in the UK. There are a stack of toon fans here in Toronto - we used to all go and watch the games at a local pub. But since satellite has taken off most people stay at home.

My folks brought their love of the game with them to NZ as did a lot of expat Brits. My old man was a Wolves supporter but Ray got to me first.

Yep its changed a lot, one of the best stadiums in the country now. But there are times when I miss the 'good old days'

Like the tin shed that the Milburn stand replaced?

It's going to be tough especially with Woodgate out but I've just got a feeling that this is going to be our year, mind you I had that feeling in 96 aswell.

I'm confident that we will, hopefully

I think we've got a good chance. Then again Ray's Dad is the only person I know who remembers when we last won the league (he's 88 I think).

[Whaleboy]

The happiness? You sure about that? Much has been written and found to the contrary.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems sensible that if you're richer, then more utility has been gained.

[Derekrage]

But a tyranny against other people, and you have failed to provide a satisfactory distinction. Furthermore, environmental sociological change is not forcing something on another, since that requires direct imposition that is not occuring here.

It isn't tyranny against another people it is the British people's democratic right to voice their concerns on the policies of the nation, and it is about time the politicians listened to this one.

Saudi isn't so great, Jordan is ok. I suggest you find more objective sources for your information. Try historical or sociological reports, or perhaps compare several news sources.

I usually try to watch a bit of all the news programs (BBC, SKY, ITV etc) and the impression I get from that and from people telling me their experiences is that most of them are religious fundies.

Agreed. But then, does one expect good economic credentials from communists like the BNP?

Socialists, commies (true commies) are not nationalists.

Politically speaking, it will determine success or failure, the productivity, the happiness and the influence of a nation. If you want to be nationalistic, then you want to avoid the BNP like there's no tomorrow. The lib-dems economic policy looks pretty good at the moment if I may recommend them?

I do not vote BNP for economics, my main reasons are their social policies and foreign policies.

Agathon -

My folks brought their love of the game with them to NZ as did a lot of expat Brits. My old man was a Wolves supporter but Ray got to me first.

You've got a lot to thank him for!

I think we've got a good chance. Then again Ray's Dad is the only person I know who remembers when we last won the league (he's 88 I think).

It's depressing isn't it. I'll feel sorry for Shearer if he retires without any silverwear at Newcastle.

No. My family comes from there. My grandparents live in Bedlington and my uncle Ray is a commentator for Radio Tyneside (I think that's their name). I always go whenever I'm in the UK. There are a stack of toon fans here in Toronto - we used to all go and watch the games at a local pub. But since satellite has taken off most people stay at home.

Good to see that there are toon fans abroad shame about the satellite though.

[Whaleboy]

It isn't tyranny against another people it is the British people's democratic right to voice their concerns on the policies of the nation, and it is about time the politicians listened to this one.

Why, when one person knows better than the consensus of a million, should people listen to the million and not the one who knows better?

I usually try to watch a bit of all the news programs (BBC, SKY, ITV etc) and the impression I get from that and from people telling me their experiences is that most of them are religious fundies.

Are you aware of the history and causes behind that though?

Socialists, commies (true commies) are not nationalists.

But the BNP are socialists/communists! You could even call them Marxists . Their economic policies are very far left, and doomed to failure. Having said that, and having looked at the policies of the NF (and you thought the BNP were bad ), they are further to the left of the BNP.

I do not vote BNP for economics, my main reasons are their social policies and foreign policies.

Bad call.

[Derekrage]

Politically speaking, it will determine success or failure, the productivity, the happiness and the influence of a nation. If you want to be nationalistic, then you want to avoid the BNP like there's no tomorrow. The lib-dems economic policy looks pretty good at the moment if I may recommend them?

Whaleboy I would never vote Liberal even if they promised to make everyone in Britain a millionaire. I would never trust them to run the country, a lot of their MP's seem to think the UN is some sort of holy shrine. I'm afraid you don't get my vote

[Whaleboy]

Whaleboy I would never vote Liberal even if they promised to make everyone in Britain a millionaire. I would never trust them to run the country, a lot of their MP's seem to think the UN is some sort of holy shrine. I'm afraid you don't get my vote

Now I'm no fan of people that sell out for money, but I'd much prefer people to be motivated by economics than nationalism (blind patriotism), since I consider nationalism to be far more dangerous. See the sig.

[Agathon]

There are toon fans everywhere. I always get stopped when I'm wearing my Shearer shirt.

[Derekrage]

Why, when one person knows better than the consensus of a million, should people listen to the million and not the one who knows better?

Who is to say that that one person know's better though, that same person?

Are you aware of the history and causes behind that though?

Some of them, but it doesn't matter.

But the BNP are socialists/communists! You could even call them Marxists . Their economic policies are very far left, and doomed to failure. Having said that, and having looked at the policies of the NF (and you thought the BNP were bad ), they are further to the left of the BNP.

Economically maybe they are socialist. But to be a communist you have to believe in the brotherhood of workers and all that.

[Derekrage]

There are toon fans everywhere. I always get stopped when I'm wearing my Shearer shirt.

Glad to hear it. The more of us there are the better. Do people take a lot of interest in football over there?

[Derekrage]

Now I'm no fan of people that sell out for money, but I'd much prefer people to be motivated by economics than nationalism (blind patriotism), since I consider nationalism to be far more dangerous. See the sig.

To be nationalism is the key to my political beliefs. Am I dangerous?

[Agathon]

It's an underground thing which is getting bigger all the time. In Canada more and more people are immigrants and while they do like hockey (which is the big deal here) they also love football. When the World Cup is on all the ethnic communities get out in the street to celebrate (the Koreans were mental a couple of years back).

That's globalisation for you.