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Well not exactly Because we are only considering the consequences and benefits for Britain.
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That is because of your national distinction whose application for economics is not unlike bailing out the tide with a bucket and spade. I consider the whole world and will take actions whose intended consequence is the betterment of the greatest number of people to the greatest degree. Ultimately that will benefit Britain to the greatest degree too, but my intention is the greatest utility gained."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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Okay, let's try another example. Examplistan is a poor country reliant on textiles and sugar cane. Ending trade barriers to its exports would create thousands of jobs in Examplistan, directly and indirectly related to textile manufacture and sugar cane production. It would also give the young Examplistani men a reason to stay in their country and work instead of leaving to find employment elsewhere. However, because of the cheapness of importing from Examplistan, the native British sugar and textile production would be unable to compete and would mean the lose of several hundred jobs. What do you do? Who comes first, the Examplistanis or the British?Originally posted by Derekrage
I will give a very basic example:Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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But what of the destruction of the white race?Well we will eventually die out, as everything does but I don't see why we cant continue growing and improving for a good few centuries yet.
Needless to say, the West looks like it'll reach an environmental watershed within the next one or two centuries, which is a point of concern to me in this regard. Accelerating towards the precipice is not prudent in my view. Reversing, however, most certainly is."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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The British of course, and if any of those Exemplistanis come to Britain deport themOkay, let's try another example. Examplistan is a poor country reliant on textiles and sugar cane. Ending trade barriers to its exports would create thousands of jobs in Examplistan, directly and indirectly related to textile manufacture and sugar cane production. It would also give the young Examplistani men a reason to stay in their country and work instead of leaving to find employment elsewhere. However, because of the cheapness of importing from Examplistan, the native British sugar and textile production would be unable to compete and would mean the lose of several hundred jobs. What do you do? Who comes first, the Examplistanis or the British?
"When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone, whatever they did, their Generals told their Prime Minister and his divided cabinet that in three weeks, England would have her neck wrung like a chicken - Some chicken! Some neck!" --Winston Churchill, speech made to the Canadian Parliament on December 30, 1941.Comment
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Honey, at least I'm an optimist. I think in the next century we'll reach a technological watershed and then all bets are off. Singularity, here I come.Originally posted by Whaleboy
But what of the destruction of the white race?
Needless to say, the West looks like it'll reach an environmental watershed within the next one or two centuries, which is a point of concern to me in this regard. Accelerating towards the precipice is not prudent in my view. Reversing, however, most certainly is.
Not on MSN whaley?Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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ExamplistanisOriginally posted by Starchild
Okay, let's try another example. Examplistan is a poor country reliant on textiles and sugar cane. Ending trade barriers to its exports would create thousands of jobs in Examplistan, directly and indirectly related to textile manufacture and sugar cane production. It would also give the young Examplistani men a reason to stay in their country and work instead of leaving to find employment elsewhere. However, because of the cheapness of importing from Examplistan, the native British sugar and textile production would be unable to compete and would mean the lose of several hundred jobs. What do you do? Who comes first, the Examplistanis or the British?
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I have two ex's online, I'll risk it laterHoney, at least I'm an optimist. I think in the next century we'll reach a technological watershed and then all bets are off. Singularity, here I come.
Not on MSN whaley?.
Good point though.
We're going to be here for a whileThe British of course, and if any of those Exemplistanis come to Britain deport them
The Examplistanis represent the best choice of course."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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For you and the Examplistanis not for Britain.The Examplistanis represent the best choice of course."When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone, whatever they did, their Generals told their Prime Minister and his divided cabinet that in three weeks, England would have her neck wrung like a chicken - Some chicken! Some neck!" --Winston Churchill, speech made to the Canadian Parliament on December 30, 1941.Comment
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Congrats, you've just sacrificed the ninety-nine to save the hundreth. By putting British interests first, you haven't served British interests best. Wouldn't the stablisation and improvement of a country that could, in time, become a lucrative market and regional stabiliser be worth a few hundred British jobs? Hell, we'd even get cheaper sugar and clothes out of the deal.Originally posted by Derekrage
The British of course, and if any of those Exemplistanis come to Britain deport them
Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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Do elaborateFor you and the Examplistanis not for Britain."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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You've got me thereCongrats, you've just sacrificed the ninety-nine to save the hundreth. By putting British interests first, you haven't served British interests best. Wouldn't the stablisation and improvement of a country that could, in time, become a lucrative market and regional stabiliser be worth a few hundred British jobs? Hell, we'd even get cheaper sugar and clothes out of the deal. . But I wouldn't act actually be the one in charge, someone more intelligent, that can see the consequences for Britain and if the consequences had of been spelled out me, I'm sure I would have picked the Examplistanis.
"When I warned them that Britain would fight on alone, whatever they did, their Generals told their Prime Minister and his divided cabinet that in three weeks, England would have her neck wrung like a chicken - Some chicken! Some neck!" --Winston Churchill, speech made to the Canadian Parliament on December 30, 1941.Comment
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Lets just hope the BNP never come to anything resembling power. The possible consequences are fairly obvious, it's not rocket science. Nationalism is a very poor idea when it comes to economics.But I wouldn't act actually be the one in charge,Last edited by Whaleboy; April 23, 2004, 19:15."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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But we don't always know the consequences of our actions. Yet we're still responsible for them. You made a choice. Had this been a referendum or an election, that choice would have influenced your vote.Originally posted by Derekrage
You've got me there . But I wouldn't act actually be the one in charge, someone more intelligent, that can see the consequences for Britain and if the consequences had of been spelled out me, I'm sure I would have picked the Examplistanis.
Since we don't know all the consequences yet still must be held responsible for them (as no one else can be responsible for the results of our individual actions), the best a safest route is to level the playing field for everyone. Help those worse off than us, no matter who they are, and we can be sure that the high ground we occupy doesn't end in a cliff. Act not in purely national interests but in terms of overall benefit and let everyone try to make the most of their life.Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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"Nationalism is a very poor idea when it comes to economics."
How should our economic policy be decided then Whaleboy?
We are all nationalists. You've used many nationalist arguments in this thread.
It's just slightly more subtle than the BNP
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Utilitarianism, greatest happiness for the greatest number of people.How should our economic policy be decided then Whaleboy?
How so?We are all nationalists. You've used many nationalist arguments in this thread."I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
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