The British National Party

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil


Like the Irish in Scotland? Or even worse, the Maori in New Zealand? Sometimes these things work out.

Are you suggesting that everything is now hunky-dory between maoris and the rest of NZ?

[Evil Knevil]

No, but it's not on the path to race war.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil
No, but it's not on the path to race war.

At the moment every other race in NZ is treated as second-class. The National party has had a huge boost in the polls recently after it's leader came out in support of treating everyone equally.

It's not a race war, but there's certainly a lot of fighting going on.

[Evil Knevil]

Okay, maybe my reading stopped a few years ago J'concede.

[Caligastia]

Ok, no worries.

[Whaleboy]

But you don't care about this since you're not a "nationalist".

You really must understand that not being a nationalist doesn't mean that I don't want what is best economically for this nation, except that I don't want others to suffer because of it, and that suffering being greater than the benefits achieved by said measure. Like I said, I take a utilitarian view.

Wtf? They don't just come here, they go to many nations - your point here is fallacious.

Not at all, there are more host nations than there are source nations currently, at least with a considerable flow of refugees. I'm not accounting for a half-dozen native Australians .

A good way of also doing this would be to ban immigration and create an incentive for third world countries to invest more heavily in education.

What are they going to use to pay for that? Blood? A major increase in public spending there is called for, which has to come from somewhere, so a general economic boost is called for. The best way to do that is by importing our food from them.

Meaningless waffle.

It's not that difficult to understand . By reducing the main urge for people to immigrate, we can control the remaining flow by adjusting small attractors that are under our control, such as benefits (and communicating that change).

What would you say if all of Africa wanted to move here? Would you welcome them? Why/why not?

That is like my will to magically materialise on the moon. There comes a point where it is impossible. Believe it or not, the potential of British society is not infinite.

Fine, I do.

Why?

Well I might do, only because I know they wouldn't get in and every vote might make the mainstream political elite take note of their more realistic policies.

I like to think that I have shown them to be unrealistic. What is your problem with the "political elite" whatever that is?

[Solly]

What is your problem with the "political elite" whatever that is?

They don't concentrate on the real problems. For example, take education. Tell me the biggest education story of the last year? Yep, over whether middle-class undergrads should pay something like 30% of the cost of their degree instead of 10%. Paid when they are earning too. Oh, the unfairness

What should be the biggest educational story? The gulf in quality in pre-GCSE education. That's where the true inequality lies. yet the media and the government seem only concerned about altering the university admissions process.

Just an example. The increase in tuition fees is not relevant at all, and yet becomes a big story and issue.

= politicians removed from reality.

What about crime. Someone got their head stamped on and killed 100m from where my dad works a couple of weeks ago. I bet the perpertrators get a couple of years tops. Rather than LIFE. Everyone knows who did it.

[Whaleboy]

What should be the biggest educational story? The gulf in quality in pre-GCSE education. That's where the true inequality lies. yet the media and the government seem only concerned about altering the university admissions process.

But it is a very big issue. These are hundreds of thousands of people in dire straits because of education, alternatively viewed as the question of funding for some of the most important institutions in any developed society. I can't think of many issues that are more important than that!! . And if you are saying that politicians pay no attention to the GCSE gap, well that's clearly wrong, remember the coverage last year?

Nonetheless, the measures used to solve are going to attract varying degrees of attention. Something that requires a slow change in approach is different to something that requires a sudden change in legistlation!

Just an example. The increase in tuition fees is not relevant at all

Sorry but no

What about crime. Someone got their head stamped on and killed 100m from where my dad works a couple of weeks ago. I bet the perpertrators get a couple of years tops. Rather than LIFE. Everyone knows who did it.

If there isn't sufficient evidence for their conviction in court then they are innocent as far as the state is concerned. Nonetheless, since everyone "knows", then that should be submitted in court. It's quite simple really. And for what its worth, two years is insufficient imo, unless they are rehabbed most effectively. To solve the problem would take longer. Life should, imo, be used only where rehab isn't an option and the prisoner is still a risk. Revenge will get no-one anywhere.

= politicians removed from reality.

You do know what the = symbol means?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Well be sure to give us an update once it goes some way to backing up any sort of point you're trying to make.

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[Agathon]

Originally posted by Caligastia


At the moment every other race in NZ is treated as second-class. The National party has had a huge boost in the polls recently after it's leader came out in support of treating everyone equally.

It's not a race war, but there's certainly a lot of fighting going on.

What really happened is that the government was trying to sort out past problems. The opposition played up to the racist elements in NZ society by complaining that the blacks were getting special treatment. It worked for a while and seems to have worn off.

It's entirely political - there are no racially motivated beatings on NZ streets.

[Solly]

These are hundreds of thousands of people in dire straits because of education, alternatively viewed as the question of funding for some of the most important institutions in any developed society.

Dire straits? Debts on £10k?

Geez, maybe the government will have to buy everyone a home next, can't have people in dire straits owing £80k!

Universities - most important institutions? No, that would be the prisons.

If there isn't sufficient evidence for their conviction in court then they are innocent as far as the state is concerned. Nonetheless, since everyone "knows", then that should be submitted in court

Yes IMO it should. But they are afraid to step forward because victims get too much protection and end up becoming vigilantes against witnesses. A lot of people are in estates that are like prisons due to this. Estates where the police are afraid to go. We need a Giuliani "zero tolerance" approach to sort out our cities and get rid of the scum.

And for what its worth, two years is insufficient imo, unless they are rehabbed most effectively. To solve the problem would take longer. Life should, imo, be used only where rehab isn't an option and the prisoner is still a risk. Revenge will get no-one anywhere.

It's not revenge it's punishment. And a deterrent. Bring back the rope.

[Whaleboy]

Yes IMO it should. But they are afraid to step forward because victims get too much protection and end up becoming vigilantes against witnesses. A lot of people are in estates that are like prisons due to this. Estates where the police are afraid to go. We need a Giuliani "zero tolerance" approach to sort out our cities and get rid of the scum.

The solution IMO is education and an education system that does not fail kids like this, as it does at the moment creating this social problem.

Universities - most important institutions? No, that would be the prisons.

. Where do much of the scientific, social, intellecual, technological, and political advances come from ?

It's not revenge it's punishment. And a deterrent. Bring back the rope.

Same as, and it didnt serve as a deterrent before it was banned, it won't again. Murder rates are down IIRC on the 18th and 19th centuries where the death penalty was practised in the UK. Destructive punishment is indistinguishable from retribution. Contructive punishment (don't do this again) is not.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Agathon




What really happened is that the government was trying to sort out past problems. The opposition played up to the racist elements in NZ society by complaining that the blacks were getting special treatment. It worked for a while and seems to have worn off.

Blacks?? Is that what you're calling them these days?

It's entirely political - there are no racially motivated beatings on NZ streets.

Political fighting is what I'm referring to.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Derekrage


Lazarus, does it matter? I know many labour supporters who consider Blair a war criminal yet they will still vote labour in the next election. It is important to understand that these people believe in what they are doing they are willing to go through social isolation and discrimation because of their political beliefs. They are idelogues and nationalists they think that the BNP's policies are best for Britain, they are not simply out to 'get rid of all the foreigners'.

You bet your peachy little arse it matters. As for portraying BNP supporters as some sort of gallant political martyrs? No chance. A BNP supporter is, at best, a Xenophobe willing to vote terrorists into political office in order to support a xenophobic agenda.

I'm well aware that the BNP has other policies, but let's not kid ourself, shall we? No ****er votes BNP because of their stance on tax or education. It's about racism and xenophobia.

So what made you a BNP member? I'll happily lay my cards on the table- I campaigned with the Anti-Nazi League and Anti-Racist Alliance primarily because I thought BNP and NF members were a dangerous strain of pond life.

[Solly]

They are black aren't they?