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he has also called for Jihad and if many Iraqis follow there will SERIUS trouble with fanatics who will easily risk their lifes to get rid of the ockupants..
(sorry bout bad english)
(sorry bout bad english)
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This is my principles! If you don't like them I have others!
I'm not afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens.
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Holy ****!
I read it was only about 10-15%
What is worse is what the moderate leader said:
So arresting him might provoke a moderate backlash...The Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the country's leading religious figure, called for an end to the violence but said the cause of Mr Sadr's supporters was "legitimate". He urged calm so the problems could be "resolved through negotiations".Comment
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Here is the casualty list for all coalition deaths so far:Originally posted by Eli
Do we even have a reliable casualty report? For the amount of violence that has been going on today, 4 coalition dead sounds surprisingly low.
Forces: U.S. & Coalition/Casualties
People like Sloww and the other chickenhawks on this site can come face to face with the young men and women that have been needlessly killed by policies they support...
Even I didn't realise that the US had suffered over 4,000 casualties so far!!!There have been 718 coalition deaths, 616 Americans, 59 Britons, five Bulgarians, one Dane, one Estonian, 17 Italians, two Poles, one Salvadoran, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and three Ukrainian, in the war as of April 5, 2004. The list below reflects the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors whose families have been notified of their deaths by each country's government. There have been 3,457 U.S. troops wounded in the war, according to the Pentagon. This list is updated regularly.
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Juan Cole doesn't know ****.The iraqi expert juan Cole expects that about 1/3 of all of the shi'its in iraq supports Sadr.
The last scientific poll done in Iraq showed that 0.6% of Iraqis thought Sadr was the most respected leader in Iraq. This compares to 5% for Sistani and 8% for Jaferi (Dawa party).I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Normal ratios of dead to wounded are about 1:8 to 1:10, so 450 or so KIA would get you to that figure. (Not counting non-combat fatalities as they don't correlate to overall casualties).Originally posted by MOBIUS
Even I didn't realise that the US had suffered over 4,000 casualties so far!!!
Keep in mind "wounded" can range from very minor wounds with the soldier back at his unit in a day to major combat wounds requiring evacuation.
Besides, some left wing morons were predicting we'd have thousands of dead and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, so don't get puked out over ~4000 KIA + WIA in 13 months.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."Comment
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I don't know about a bloodbath. People in this region have generally managed to keep their internecine strife at a lower level than that.
Unlike the Serbs and Croats in the Balkans or the Indians and Pakistanis.
But plainly those who aspire to increase their personal influence are flexing their muscles and seeking to raise their individual profile.
If the US/UK military withdraw there is no organised force able to keep the process in check. So there would be bound to be a period of anarchy before the strong man emerged.
Whether deaths this time round would be measured in dozens or hundreds or tens of thousands no one could possibly guess. But there is no reason to think that it would reach the million plus number that gets bandied around for the partition period after the UK left India.Comment
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How did I just know this thread was going to be a chickenhawks vs chicken littles thread?"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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It was posted by MOBIUS
There's a reason I only have two regular posters on my ignore list...Comment
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Well, that "scientific poll" sounds like nonsense. Any that puts Jaferi over Sistani is demonstratably false. When was the last time that Jaferi could get 100,000-300,000 of his supporters rallying at one place (something Sistani did a few times)?Juan Cole doesn't know ****.
The last scientific poll done in Iraq showed that 0.6% of Iraqis thought Sadr was the most respected leader in Iraq. This compares to 5% for Sistani and 8% for Jaferi (Dawa party).
BTW, do you have a link for the poll?
I'll trust Cole's estimate of 1/3 of the Shia."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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This is the CPA's fault: they publically announced that an Iraqi judge (who is not independent) had months ago signed an arrest warrant for Sadr -- and if he were captured, he'd be executed.
So what's he got to lose by inciting more violence and becoming a martyr himself?
The CPA should never have publically announced its intentions to arrest him. They did so for political points and it's costing Coalition lives.
This is quickly becoming a quagmire and this head-in-the-sand administration doesn't seem to want to do anything about it except give the Iraqis control at the end of June.the good reverendComment
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If he were picked up in secret, it'd be even worse.
No, the big problem is that the CPA didn't act on the warrant before Sadr's powerbase had a chance to rapidly grow. We were still trying to co-opt him, like we did with Hakim (and anyone who thinks that'll last either is fooling himself)."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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It surveyed 3,000 people, so I trust it. Done by the BBC and other western press. See page 15.Well, that "scientific poll" sounds like nonsense.
Saddam Hussein outpolls Sadr by 6:1.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Who would you put in a league with Saddam? If you have any special requests, we can take them down in order for you, if you'd like.Originally posted by MOBIUS
Well frankly he is no worse than a bunch of dictatorships around the world that the US is in bed with - when are we going to invade them then, huh?When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."Comment
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Leave the Communist Party of Apolyton out of this.Originally posted by rev
This is the CPA's fault: they publically announced that an Iraqi judge (who is not independent) had months ago signed an arrest warrant for Sadr -- and if he were captured, he'd be executed.
So what's he got to lose by inciting more violence and becoming a martyr himself?
The CPA should never have publically announced its intentions to arrest him. They did so for political points and it's costing Coalition lives.
This is quickly becoming a quagmire and this head-in-the-sand administration doesn't seem to want to do anything about it except give the Iraqis control at the end of June.Only feebs vote.Comment
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So were some right wing "morons". It depended on whether the Iraqui army would try to turn Baghdad into Stalingrad - in the end they didn't.Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Besides, some left wing morons were predicting we'd have thousands of dead and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, so don't get puked out over ~4000 KIA + WIA in 13 months.Only feebs vote.Comment
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