9 Americans dead including 4 brutally burned alive and hung!

[Tripledoc]

LotM:

And liberals don't lie? (Clinton)

So by your definition everybody is lying.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
And liberals don't lie? (Clinton)

So by your definition everybody is lying.

sure - just not as blatantly and as consistently as Stalinists.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
He's fallen in with a cult.

The La Rouche movement. The man who 'invented' SDI.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by debeest
Without some means of collecting verifiable and trustworthy information about the feelings of the broad range of Iraqis, I think we would be fools to hold any particular belief as to whether they're happy we invaded and occupied them.

But it's pretty clear that more than a few of them are more passionate in their opposition to it than you probably are about anything in the world. They blow themselves up in order to kill a few of their own collaborating countrymen!

Given the strength of their feelings, do you really think that mutilation of the enemy's dead bodies, which of course is intended to dehumanize them, is either surprising or indicative of anything but a desperate, blinding hatred?

They're not more contemptible or barbarian or savage or evil just because they mutilate the dead bodies. They just hate the invaders more than you can imagine, and they have very little other opportunity to demonstrate it.

Just because an act may not be surprising, given the character of murderous savages, does not make their act any less contemptible.

[Pax]

Originally posted by MrFun




Just because an act may not be surprising, given the character of murderous savages, does not make their act any less contemptible.

If your closest loved one had been killed by foreigners. If yourself had lost an arm or a leg to these foreigners. Now these same foreigners are patrolling your streets searching your home. What would you not do if you had the opportunity to strike back. Even if you don't take into consideration the animosity between the Islamic and Western worlds.

The U.S. military engaged in body mutilation and rape in Vietnam even though the U.S. had only been in conflict with the vietnamese for a relatively brief amount of time.

[Agathon]

I wonder how much the McDonalds franchising rights to Fallujah cost now.

On the other hand, it would make for a reality TV show that I'd actually watch.

[Whaleboy]

War sucks

[Sava]

It's their own damn fault for being there.

Rule #1, if you are an American, don't go to places where people will burn you alive for being American.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
If your closest loved one had been killed by foreigners. If yourself had lost an arm or a leg to these foreigners. Now these same foreigners are patrolling your streets searching your home. What would you not do if you had the opportunity to strike back. Even if you don't take into consideration the animosity between the Islamic and Western worlds.

The U.S. military engaged in body mutilation and rape in Vietnam even though the U.S. had only been in conflict with the vietnamese for a relatively brief amount of time.

I'm not ignorant about past crimes against humanity that Americans have committed. Did you miss the post where I mentioned the carnival tradition of lynching within United States?

I hold those same Americans who have done such acts in the same contempt that I hold the barbarians who have brutalized the bodies of Americans in Iraq.

[Pax]

Originally posted by MrFun


I'm not ignorant about past crimes against humanity that Americans have committed. Did you miss the post where I mentioned the carnival tradition of lynching within United States?

I hold those same Americans who have done such acts in the same contempt that I hold the barbarians who have brutalized the bodies of Americans in Iraq.

My first paragraph was a comment on your statement. My second is a general statement and Americans are not alone in what you refer to as barbaric treatment. My point is that these actions are human and not barbaric. I only used the U.S. as one example of cruelty.

[MrFun]

So now you're saying that such actions are not barbaric, simply because historically, many other groups of people have done such horrible things??

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
"[Y]ou've offered a view of those who oppose Bush's military plans that is seriously at odds with reality: The antiwar movement equals the left and the left equals the followers of Ramsey Clark, defender of Slobodan Milosevic and assorted Hutu genocidaires and other thugs, who is the founder of the International Action Center, which is closely linked to ANSWER, a front for the Workers World Party."

Katha Pollit, editor of the ultra-liberal Nation, trying to distinguish ordinary war protesters from Ramsey Clark.

I knew than rightwing fantic will make these charge. Hutu genocidaires where Christian Fundie of the Pat Robertson type. The GOP refuse to support Bill Clinton on sending Americian troop there. They want to get back at the Democrate for not supportion Bush Sr enought. Very childish of the sureloser GOP that Bush Sr lost the Presidental race to Bill Clinton.

For than long time the UN want they own militily force of 100,000 to 250,000 men guess who alway oppose the idear out of fear the Christian Fundie who seen to believe this going to give power to the AntiChrist. First there isnot going to be than AntiChrist in the first place than 250,000 UN troop arenot enought to be than world conquestion force.

[Pax]

Originally posted by MrFun


So now you're saying that such actions are not barbaric, simply because historically, many other groups of people have done such horrible things??

I'm stating that it's human nature. As human as road rage, playground bullies or any big or small act of aggression.

[Dis]

I'm almost inclined to agree.

we (especially americans) have the tendency to demonize our enemies to make them seem as monsters.

But this is not the case. Even americans can act this way. Many humans are capable of such actions. Although I don't think I am . I'm just not a violent person.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
I'm stating that it's human nature. As human as road rage, playground bullies or any big or small act of aggression.

That's nice -- so what?