Australian troops home by Christmas if Government changes

[Imran Siddiqui]

last time I heard, Bush said prior to the war that the US was willing to go at it all alone...has that changed? If not, why should other states not keep Bush to his words?

Because Bush and Australia/Spain are playing politics with Iraqis and their government. So the blood is now on their hands if something happens.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GeoModder
Yes, and where is the money pumped in? Not for the common Iraqi I think.

If I may interject a few pertinent first hand observations. Most of the reconstruction money is going for things like power plants, schools, police academies & building police forces, roads, power lines, the Iraqi Civil Defense Corp (ICDC), the new Iraqi Army (Iraq lives in a bad neighborhood), small business intiatives (grants to found radio, TV, and newspapers is a big thing right now), and numerous other things.

Do you think these things will benifet the average Iraqi? My sense, and seemingly the sense of ordinary IRaqis I speak to, is that they it will.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Because Bush and Australia/Spain are playing politics with Iraqis and their government. So the blood is now on their hands if something happens.

How are Spain and Australia playing politics with Iraq's government? The US already plans transition to a new Israeli sovereign government in JKune, prior to the threatened Spanish pull out and Australian ones, and of course, if Bush went to the UN, neither would pull out.

Again, if you claim you can do it alone, claim all it takes is will, then be ready to be alone when others aren't willing anymore.

[Dinner]

It can be done alone though there is a certain sense of legitamacy in numbers. This is how the UN gains legitamcy and that's how the Coalition gains legitamcy.

I wonder how exactly you propose a hand over from the Coalition to the UN could be accomplished and what it would entail. Would you have the UN in command and control of military units, just for creating political aporatuses, or something else?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
How are Spain and Australia playing politics with Iraq's government? The US already plans transition to a new Israeli sovereign government in JKune,

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Zionist crusader fruedian slip.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Oerdin
If I may interject a few pertinent first hand observations. Most of the reconstruction money is going for things like power plants, schools, police academies & building police forces, roads, power lines, the Iraqi Civil Defense Corp (ICDC), the new Iraqi Army (Iraq lives in a bad neighborhood), small business intiatives (grants to found radio, TV, and newspapers is a big thing right now), and numerous other things.

Do you think these things will benifet the average Iraqi? My sense, and seemingly the sense of ordinary IRaqis I speak to, is that they it will.

Half of it sounds as if things are steambuilded for a retreat of foreign troops (army, civil defense, police).

roads, power lines -and plants can be used for both economic and population wellfare. The question is for what purpose it is used now. Here in the west we hear that oil is coming out of Iraq once more. So from the sound of that a priority is given to the government income or corporation income (the ones investing there).

This is an interesting point to me: was there prior to the war such a lack of schooling facilities in Iraq that those have to be build now? And if so, are sufficient teachers available (Iraqi teachers I mean).

In your report thread you did mention a lot of information sources for the Iraqi. I am a bit surprised that so many different news sources are available for the population. How well is the common Iraqi capable of receiving all this (tv, radio, newspaper).

[Giancarlo]

Re: Australian troops home by Christmas if Government changes

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
This would hurt Bush more than Spain- we're a much closer ally. It's Labor policy now to withdraw the troops if they win the next election - due by the end of the year.



A majority of Australians believe we should never have gone into the Iraq war in the first place. It's not our fight, right out of our region. And the Opposition is looking very good to win the election right now.

Excellent another nation that wants to **** over the Iraqi people.

Edit: Wait a minute? I read the first article and it says.. 250 Australian troops are in Iraq? Big loss. The South Koreans are still sending their 3,000.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It can be done alone though there is a certain sense of legitamacy in numbers. This is how the UN gains legitamcy and that's how the Coalition gains legitamcy.

I wonder how exactly you propose a hand over from the Coalition to the UN could be accomplished and what it would entail. Would you have the UN in command and control of military units, just for creating political aporatuses, or something else?

Well, it's sort of self-evident, no?

The current "crisis" is that one of the coalition of the willing is willng to pull out under the current conditions, BUT is much more likely to stay in if the UN , not the US, were in charge. And by its example, others that feel they got shafted by the amdinistration and its little pet project are now mulling over the same possibility.

[GePap]

Re: Re: Australian troops home by Christmas if Government changes

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Excellent another nation that wants to **** over the Iraqi people.

Edit: Wait a minute? I read the first article and it says.. 250 Australian troops are in Iraq? Big loss. The South Koreans are still sending their 3,000.

Are they? The new possible government was not happy about were they might be sent.

[Giancarlo]

Re: Re: Re: Australian troops home by Christmas if Government changes

Originally posted by GePap


Are they? The new possible government was not happy about were they might be sent.

They were getting a list of new possible locations. Other hot spots and the government said they were okay with that. What is wrong with you? You really want to screw over the Iraqi people that badly don't you? Why don't we just pull all troops out right now?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GePap
Iraq , becuase THERE WAS NO INVASION FORCE OF KOSOVO. The Serbia government put together a deal to end the bombing campaign.

I'd like to point out that the Serbs only gave in after the Hungarian government publically authorized a Nato invasion force to begin assembling in Hungary. Melosevic the bombing would be like the bombing the Republica Serbska got in Bosnia (short and not to extensive) so he thought he could wait it out. He only changed his mind when it became clear Nato was prepared to go all the way with a ground invasion.

[Imran Siddiqui]

How are Spain and Australia playing politics with Iraq's government?

They are playing politics to show they don't like Bush and are pulling out their troops, which can be used to keep the peace. Sounds like playing poltics with Iraq's future to me.

[Arrian]

If they want out, let 'em. Just like Spain, the majority of their people didn't want to be involved in the first place.

I happen to think pulling out now, after the invasion the people of Australia opposed has been done already, and the troops are there to keep the peace for reconstruction, is a mistake. But as I'm not an Australian citizen, I don't get a say in this one.

At the end of the day, this IS our mess. And 250 troops isn't going to make a difference in terms of the actual situation on the ground.

-Arrian

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
They are playing politics to show they don't like Bush and are pulling out their troops, which can be used to keep the peace. Sounds like playing poltics with Iraq's future to me.

I did not know Australia and Spain had any say in the formation of the new Iraqi government. Though you change your claim later, saying Iraq's future, not gov, which are two very different things.

And you still fail to address the point Imran: bush said he would go it alone in necessary-why should others not keep him to his word? Those states are democracies- if 70% of people do not want to be there, well, maybe their DMEOCRATIC governments should pay heed? Of course, but how dare the government of Spain take into account the feelings of the people of Spain-we all know that government is responsible to the Iraqi people....