Australian troops home by Christmas if Government changes

[Sava]

OMG TERRORIST VICTORY IN AUSTRALIA!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
Also, "world opposition" was far far smaller, with Russia really being the only state to scream it shead about it,

I think we're forgetting quite a bit of the 3rd world who thought that this basing wars on the morality of the state getting its arse kicked might lead to their own door steps.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I think we're forgetting quite a bit of the 3rd world who thought that this basing wars on the morality of the state getting its arse kicked might lead to their own door steps.

We never care what the third world thinks-in Iraq oir anywhere else. When we speak about "world opinion", we mean the countries that matter to us. What Gabon thinks never matters to anyone outside Gabon or its immidiate neighbors.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I think we're forgetting quite a bit of the 3rd world who thought that this basing wars on the morality of the state getting its arse kicked might lead to their own door steps.

The Kosovo war was BS, but there wasn't anywhere near the level of popular opposition to it that there was against the invasion of Iraq. Third world government's may not have been too happy about it, fearing for their own nasty little dictatorships, but it's hard to build a war that is being sold as a humanitarian intervention to stop an act of genocide. Even if there really wasn't genocide going on, there was enough fog that it could be spun as smoke, and where there's smoke . . .

Also, the Kosovo War took place before Seattle, and the ressurection of the international left whateveritis movement.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by DanS
GeoModder: Even if all of your criticisms are true about the oil, this money will eventually hit the pocketbooks and the standard of living of the average Iraqi in a very big way.

Again, if people start from nothing, any increase in their living standards looks great. And this money will hit the pocketbooks of the workers of the oil industry (and those in supporting sectors/infrastructure, off course), but I'm not so sure if the 'average' Iraqi will find a job in some of those economic sectors, since for now it are mostly foreigners who have the rebuild jobs, and later perhaps the jobs in the oil sector. How do you think it comes that so many civilian foreigners are killed in Iraq? They're not there for their holidays...

[Whaleboy]

@ Sava

[Dinner]

Labor is left wing. Of course they'd withdraw.

[DanS]

Edit: ... ah fuggit. Not worth my time.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The Kosovo war was BS, but there wasn't anywhere near the level of popular opposition to it that there was against the invasion of Iraq. Third world government's may not have been too happy about it, fearing for their own nasty little dictatorships, but it's hard to build a war that is being sold as a humanitarian intervention to stop an act of genocide. Even if there really wasn't genocide going on, there was enough fog that it could be spun as smoke, and where there's smoke . . .

I wouldn't be surprised if between now and a year the same thing will happen in Iraq. There are quite some ethnic groups there as well, and they were oppressed by the late regime on a scale we have no experience with. If something the recent history has learned me it is that if an ethnic bomb can explode, it will.

Originally posted by DanS
Edit: ... ah fuggit. Not worth my time.

[Dinner]

What so many people ignore is even though they may not agree with the war to withdraw would be a disaster. Do you really want to abandon a country before a central government has been set up? This was done by the Soviets in Afghanistan and the policy lead to such a stunning success.

[chequita guevara]

The Soviets intervened to save the central government of Afganistan. It's just that after ten years of war, the government was masively unpopular and its enemies extremely well armed, funded, and fanatical. Not a good example.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Oerdin
What so many people ignore is even though they may not agree with the war to withdraw would be a disaster. Do you really want to abandon a country before a central government has been set up? This was done by the Soviets in Afghanistan and the policy lead to such a stunning success.

But the US will set up a central government, in June.

or so they say.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I didn't agree with the war but now we're there we have to finish the job. Quitting now makes things worse and is totally the wrong thing to do.

Even if you opposed the war, there is a chance to have a successful democratic state in the Middle East. It's better than having chaos and perhaps fundamentalists taking over.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I didn't agree with the war but now we're there we have to finish the job. Quitting now makes things worse and is totally the wrong thing to do.

Even if you opposed the war, there is a chance to have a successful democratic state in the Middle East. It's better than having chaos and perhaps fundamentalists taking over.

Wonderfull sentiment-but again, last time I heard, Bush said prior to the war that the US was willing to go at it all alone...has that changed? If not, why should other states not keep Bush to his words?

[Sava]

Yes, cutting and running would make things worse... but c'mon... we're talking about 250 ****ing people. I doubt that's going to make or break success in Iraq.

you people need to get a grip