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  • #106
    Some people might say that the Ausrtalian and Spanish contingents are merely symbolic. However, if these forces are withdrawn it will not merely mean the actual physical removal, but it will also mean that if by some freak of nature, the US decided that the UN should take over, then both Spain and Australia will be unconvinced by the need to send the troops back in, and possibly boost the numbers.

    So the main problem for Bush is that while there is no evidence that the resistance has been eroded, the possibility of outsourcing security to allies is becoming diminished. And even if Bush now wished for the UN to take over it would be impractical, because no one would have the will to supply troops. Especially if the allies who fall by the wayside are not handed out some sort of punishment. Nor can Bush send in more American troops.

    So Bush's hands are pretty much tied. Meanwhile the resistance in Iraq has many options open to them still, and time is on their side.

    As far as I can see the attempts at Iraqification has failed.

    So it is all downhill from now on.

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    • #107
      Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
      This Iraq thing is really such a debacle any way you look at it - but the right keeps defending it.

      It's not another Vietnam, it's worse than Vietnam and we're only just into year 2.
      That statement shows your ignorance. Tell me, is there a force as big as the NVA in Iraq right now opposing the US? There are a couple of thousand insurgents. How you can possibly connect Iraq as being a debacle shows notions of utter stupidity. I can't even begin to comprehend why you think so.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #108
        Originally posted by Tripledoc
        So Bush's hands are pretty much tied. Meanwhile the resistance in Iraq has many options open to them still, and time is on their side.
        This is a notion of utter stupidity. Do you want that? No Bush does not have his hands tied and yes the South Koreans and Japanese are still sending troops no matter what. They stood by that.

        As far as I can see the attempts at Iraqification has failed.
        B.S.

        So it is all downhill from now on.
        Not quite. Things are going well, and like it or not attacks are down in Iraq. The media just pays more attention to each individual one to make it seem like they are more, for inept simple minds as your own.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #109
          Originally posted by Tripledoc
          As far as I can see the attempts at Iraqification has failed.

          So it is all downhill from now on.
          Only in the eyes of the anti-Bush, anti-US crowd, who would love the chance to laugh at America, no matter what the costs to Iraq or the world.

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          • #110
            Originally posted by Giancarlo
            Not quite. Things are going well, and like it or not attacks are down in Iraq. The media just pays more attention to each individual one to make it seem like they are more, for inept simple minds as your own.
            American soldiers are still getting killed. I have not been keeping track but my guess is that it is somewhere around 3 a week. Add to that the number of Iraqi security personel killed.

            And regarding the media interest it is important to remember that the the dead are flown in at night and the press is barred from filming the burials which I understand is done in secret. Add to that the wounded of which quite a few are seriously maimed for life.

            I think the mainstream press is handling this with some discretion, and not overplaying it at all.

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            • #111
              Originally posted by Tripledoc


              American soldiers are still getting killed. I have not been keeping track but my guess is that it is somewhere around 3 a week. Add to that the number of Iraqi security personel killed.
              That is a lot better than it was immediately following the collapse of Baghdad. But a simple mind as your own can't make that correlation. Attacks on US forces have fallen and you cannot deny that, because it is a fact. In some places in Iraq attacks have fallen by 60-70%.

              Add to that the wounded of which quite a few are seriously maimed for life.
              That is war. These things happen in war. It may not be pretty but sometimes it has to do be done.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #112
                Originally posted by Verto
                Only in the eyes of the anti-Bush, anti-US crowd, who would love the chance to laugh at America, no matter what the costs to Iraq or the world.
                And the people who are responsible for taking the troops for a ride, are presumably being very serious?

                Recall the phrase, "Bring them on"?

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                • #113
                  The attacks have gone WAY down Tripledoc.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #114
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    The attacks have gone WAY down Tripledoc.
                    http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx


                    Up substantially from last month.

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                    • #115
                      Originally posted by Tripledoc


                      http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx


                      Up substantially from last month.
                      Yes, but attacks have remained lower than in the past few months... and as of late, it seems everything is starting to cool down.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #116
                        Ok so the number of attacks are lower but the casualties are higher. Is this good news or bad news?

                        To me it is a sign that the opposition is less trigger happy, and yet more effective. Bad news.

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                        • #117
                          Well the fact that casualities were up for one month doesn't really note anything. The fact there was progress made in the amount of arrests means a lot. You have a very simple mind.. can't you think comprehensively or at least try? Why are you so ****ing hell bent in hoping the US gets the most casualities as possible?
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #118
                            Hey wait a minute. You yourself said that the PERCEPTION was that Iraq is calming down. Then I say maybe but there are still more dead people. So its calm but there are more dead people! Is this some kind of newspeak. "All quiet on the eastern front, only 42 killed and 250 wounded" It seems to me that someone is hoping that people won't notice that the number of killed has DOUBLED from last month. Is this progress?

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                            • #119
                              Yes the perception is Iraq is calming down. But you have to think comprehensively, if that is even possible with a simple mind as your own... how many soldiers did the US lose in this war? Not that many with compared with previous wars. Your a fool that doesn't know how to think comprehensively. You are nothing more than an american hating dingbat. People were right about you here... even the leftists don't like you because you are up to no good. What do you want? More and more US soldiers to die to fit your political **** agenda? Lets face it, Iraq is way calmer than it was months ago and it is not going down hill. In some places attacks are still down 60%.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #120
                                Oh I see. Refering to American combat casualities is now considered anti-American. Do you reside in la-la land?

                                No, you are right. Nothing to see here! Everything is under control!

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