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  • How do you raise a child to be a Good Communist?

    Laura and I were at a restaurant today and the usual 2 year-old shenanigans were going on:

    grabbing salt-shaker "MINE!!!!"
    grabbing salt-shaker "No, Sophie."
    unthwarted, grabs pepper shaker "MINE, DADA! MIINE!!!"
    grabbing pepper-shaker "Sophie, No!"
    grabs menu "Dis is mine, Dada. Pweeee?"
    resigned "OK, Sophie, the menu is yours."

    So, do this for about 20 straight minutes and you start to wonder (well, I do, anyway): How can any person argue that Communism can be a natural state of man? Given that even a 2 year old knows that something must be hers before it can fully benefit her, how can 22 year olds not understand this?

    In short: how would've Marx handled the above scene?

    grabbing salt-shaker "MINE!!!!"
    grabbing salt-shaker "Child, the acceptance of the ideology of private property just plays in the hands of the capitalist oppressors."
    unthwarted, grabs pepper shaker "MINE, DADA! MIINE!!!"
    grabbing pepper-shaker "There is no property but what society allows you to have. The society I wish to raise my child in is just, one that has no property. Rather than it being *your* pepper shaker, Sophia, you'd be better off saying "Mine, Dada, by the good graces of the Neighborhood Soviet of pepper shaker manufacturers."
    grabs menu "Dis is mine, Dada. Pweeee?"
    resigned "Sophie, due to the fact that you seem to accept the communal role of property, you may play with the menu until a needier child comes along."

    The point is that children are greedy, needful things who don't like to be thwarted. But Communism is all about the denial of personal wants and the unacceptability of private property, programs your child will not care for. Loudly. Vocally. For years.

    So, how do you raise a kid to be a "natural" Communist? How do you get rid of the instinct of private property, of ownership? Assuming that the rest of the world is with you (so you can't counterargue that "society will screw with 'em"), how exactly can you eliminate the "need" to have?

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      I bet they'll say that the consumer culture has ingrained itself into Sophie's poor little head and made her think that everything can be owned .
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #4
        Not in this scenario, Imran. Remember: "Assuming that the rest of the world is with you (so you can't counterargue that "society will screw with 'em")..." so they can't go that route.

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          I never said it would make sense .
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #6
            JOhnT,

            Glad you brought this up. Obviously this is a point we both agree on and discusssed as much.

            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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            • #7
              Ohh and by the way I take exception to the title of the thread. There is no such thing as a good communist.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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              • #8
                Except for one thrown out of a helicopter

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kucinich
                  Except for one thrown out of a helicopter
                  You're young and impressionable, once you reach college age and learn to think critically, you might understand things better.

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                  • #10
                    Just curious, but who said communism is the "natural state of man"?
                    Blah

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                    • #11
                      Most of the commies on this board

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                        Well, if you are an authentic Communist, you of course don't go to a restaurant that has a MENU for crying out loud, so the whole setup is entirely academic
                        It is only totalitarian governments that suppress facts. In this country we simply take a democratic decision not to publish them. - Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister

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                        • #13
                          Well, I'm sure you can pick any stage in child development and say that it's proof for the naturality of either an individualistic or a communitarian political philosophy. For example, in a couple of years give Sophie and three of her friends a carton of juice and four glasses, and I'm sure they'll obsessively divide it in such a way as to make each glass exactly as full as any other.

                          Surely the point is that the Utopian socialist (which Marx, with all his failings, wasn't) would consider people intellectually capable of creating a sharing society instead of competing for resources. If perfectly (impossibly perfectly) implemented such a system is the most efficient and fair and thus "natural".
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                          • #14
                            I don't think it is the 'natural state of man' but I think it would be great if it could be acheived. Unfortunately, with all man's faults, it cannot

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                              "such a system is the most efficient"

                              No, as there would be no incentives to work to full effort.
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