Terrorists claim victory in Spain

[The Mad Monk]

Now Spiffor, if Oedo is going to insist on making bold proclamations, I'm going to insist on having fun with them.

[oedo]

Now, if it's only for fun, then it's ok. at first look I thought you would disagree me.

[The Mad Monk]

Oh, I do, as anyone who's followed my posts over the past year can tell you.

Iraq is only the beginning, and Saudi is the target.

[GePap]

Yes, we have heard that assertion of yours many times. sadly, that is all it is.

[The Mad Monk]

Perhaps another time, GePap.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by mrmitchell

In other words, you're letting the terrorists control your vote?

Letting them contol my vote and deciding how to vote based on their actions is two different things. If they control my vote then I must vote the way that they want me to.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
We aren't talking semantics -- nor possiblities, might-have-beens, or what-ifs.

Al-Queda claimed the attacks were due to Spain's support of the United States. That is indisputable. The CNN article above proves that the intent of the attack was to topple the pro-U.S. government and replace it with one that would withdraw forces.

That is exactly what happened on Sunday.

Mission: Accomplished.

You are inherently assuming that because the result went the way they wanted it to that they're are ultimately responsible for it.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


You are inherently assuming that because the result went the way they wanted it to that they're are ultimately responsible for it.

its more a conclusion than an assumption.

[Kidlicious]

We know that Big Crunch, but we feel pretty safe about that assumption.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Are you above voting for capitalists???

Generally, yes. I might consider voting for Kerry simply because Bush wants to add anti-gay discrimination to the Constitution.

[yaroslav]

Originally posted by germanos
What I find truely strange, and in fact truely disturbing, is the Spain-bashing that has been going on over the last few days on this forum.

As far as I know, there has been no calls in the spanish elections to withdraw the spanish troops from Iraq BECAUSE of the terrorist attacks.
Yet, this assumption keeps being fed into the discussion, one way or another.

The principle arguement for this assumption is that al-qaeda will hold this view, while there are no facts that support the idea that the spanish electorate have changed their views to the precence of their soldiers in Iraq because of the attacks.

The allies of Spain in that war, the UK and the US, voiced here by several posters, appear to be more interested in the presumed views of their enemy, al-qaeda, instead of listening to their friends and allies, who have in no way said they will stop their struggle against terrorists in general, or al-qaeda specificly.

It appears that the misconception that the war against Iraq (or against Saddam Hussein for that matter) was a battle in the war against al-qaeda specifically or terrorism in general, has sunken so deep into the minds of some posters here, that even now, a full year later (when its clear the war aginst Iraq was fought for many reasons, but NOT that it has been a succesfull contribution against terrorism), the spanish wish to detach them from this war, IS being seen as an act of cowardice.

To me, it is clear that the election results in Spain are NOT a victory for those who planted the bombs.

Reading the posts here the last days DO however make me wonder if the true benefit the terrorists get from their action, is the fact that the US and UK isolate THEMSELVES further, resolve in their stubborness, and value the supposed intentions of their enemies above the outspoken values of their friends and allies.


I find it quite disheartening to see that the spanish posters hardly speak out in these threads anymore.

The voice of the spanish electorate, who have spoken out against the war in Iraq, and consistantly so I must add, is being misunderstood as a vote against battling terrorism.
The spanish, victim of a terrile crime, still down on the ground and recuperating (sp?), unfortunately 'accustomed' to terror, are being stabbed in the back by those to whom they have pledged alligance (sp?)

Thanks. I can't help but saying that I want to cry after reading who're labeled as cowards, after

1) we've been sufering terrorism since 1968 (i.e: that's not the first terrorist attack in Spain)

2) we're attacked by Al-Quaeda in Morroco last year

3) we're attacked by Al-Quaeda a few days ago.

4) we've been very good allies of America, givin away lives of our soldiers and intelligence members -> And now some americans call us cowards

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Generally, yes. I might consider voting for Kerry simply because Bush wants to add anti-gay discrimination to the Constitution.

And I might vote for Bush for reason other than he supports capitalism. So why are we so different?

[Spiffor]

You'd better get used to it, Yaroslav.

Americans have the annoying tendency to call "cowards" pretty much anybody who doesn't feel like fighting their war.

[Kidlicious]

I don't mean to make any general statement about Spaniards, but I'm disappointed in the recent events.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Spiffor
You'd better get used to it, Yaroslav.

Americans have the annoying tendency to call "cowards" pretty much anybody who doesn't feel like fighting their war.

It's not just that we want people to fight our way, but often it seems like they just like to appear to be fighting, but letting us take the hits.