Who were the greatest defenders of all time?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
Love that film

* MrBaggins chuckles

It was pretty good, if hokey in places. Was I the only one distracted by Caine's excessive green eye shadow?

[GePap]

The German defense from 43 to 45 was strong, but hardly masterful-many times lack of logistics stopped the Soviets before crushing the Germans decisively. For exmaple, the Bagration operation utterly ivecerated and entire German army group.

The defenders of Brest-litovsk in 1941 lasted pretty long and were pretty ferocius. Or the defenders in Fort whatdoyoucall it in verdun, 1916.

The French Foreign Legion has various stories of bravery.

[David Floyd]

The German defense from 43 to 45 was strong, but hardly masterful-many times lack of logistics stopped the Soviets before crushing the Germans decisively. For exmaple, the Bagration operation utterly ivecerated and entire German army group.

Sure, but political constraints - ie, Hitler, - held the Wehrmacht back a lot. I think they did an excellent job, given the situation.

[GePap]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Sure, but political constraints - ie, Hitler, - held the Wehrmacht back a lot. I think they did an excellent job, given the situation.

Their success varied greatly. Overall while good, their defenses are, frontwide, hardly heroic.

[Verto]

You forgot the Alamo.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Verto
You forgot the Alamo.

No we did not-we already said the Alamo was hardly a great defense. The place fell on the first assault. The only thing that makes it legendary is that the Mexicans decided to execute everyone. Had Santa Ana simply taken everyone prisioner that survived the assault, it would not have gained the legendary status it did.

[Capt Dizle]

Masada should be mentioned as should the resistance in Warsaw.

[Q Classic]

there was no nuclear war. It was a conventional war- which was preposterous, but it's just a movie. Reagaon would have pushed the button as soon as the commies touched american soil . The scenario was silly, but I still liked the movie.

Kill those commies!!!!

not true. the american pilot who was shot down that they rescued said something along the lines of how the chinese were on the american side. why? weren't there a billion of them? well, no there's about 500million angry chinamen...

[Theben]

What's the capital of Texas?

[Verto]

Austin.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

there was no nuclear war. It was a conventional war- which was preposterous, but it's just a movie. Reagaon would have pushed the button as soon as the commies touched american soil . The scenario was silly, but I still liked the movie.

Kill those commies!!!!

not true. the american pilot who was shot down that they rescued said something along the lines of how the chinese were on the american side. why? weren't there a billion of them? well, no there's about 500million angry chinamen...

Yeah, and they also nuked a few key American cities.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
please explain

estimates on the number of suicide aircraft japan had were off by a factor of five for instance.

http://www.neswa.org.au/library/articles/olympic.htm

[Pekka]

The white bandits all the way. To claim anything else is redicilous.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by MrBaggins


Which Alan Shearer?

This Alan Shearer?

Yep - the one who told Taggart to stick it.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Ignorance
Finns against the soviets

I thought this poll only counted winners?