So how come black people call each other ******?

[Verto]

Blacks are not the only group labeled as 'different'. That kind of discrimination occurs inside the Caucasian group itself.

Blacks are not alone, nor special in this regard.

[Theben]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
What difference does that make?

Well for starters, the level of trade would've been nowhere near as large if the other continents hadn't wanted african slaves for their menial work. They wouldn't have gone on long passages stuffed in dehumanizing conditions to a land that they were completely disconnected from, and the african continent wouldn't have suffered from the wars that were started for the sole purpose of getting more slaves, and the resultant devestation to the cultures from population loss, war, and shattered societies.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Japher

I am getting liquored up right now, but

Don't bogart the 40!

Racism is evil. Anyone has the potential to be evil. Humans seperate, categorize and differentiate ideas/items/people for societal purposes. Most of the time, its done for good practices, for proper reasons, etc. However, when people do evil things, they use these "societal tools", that should be used for good purposes, for evil purposes.

Labels are just convienent methods to channeling hate. Without the words, the hate can still be there.

[David Floyd]

Theben,

Yeah, but who was buying? Whites and arabs.

So what? That doesn't reduce the responsibility of blacks for selling slaves.

Pax,

It's stupid of you to say it's okay just because some or a lot of blacks were doing it. The major benefactors and the people running the middle passage where white. The blacks who were involved in the slave trade were fools. I doubt they would have done it if they new the consequences of their actions. Even if they would have done it regardless it was still wrong white or black.

I'm not saying that it's OK. You're saying that blacks have a good reason to dislike white people because of the slave trade. Well, fine, by that same argument they also have a good reason to dislike black people. Sure, the blacks involved in the slave trade may have been fools, and it's always nice to argue that they didn't really know what they were doing, but come on

I'll repeat it one more time: If blacks are justified in hating white people because of the slave trade, then they should hate black people as well.

On the other hand, seeing as how no one alive today has been negatively impacted by the slave trade (and go ahead and try to prove otherwise), and given the fact that if not for the slave trade, a lot of black people today wouldn't be in the US, but rather back in some ****hole Third World country (which doesn't justify slavery, so don't make that silly argument either), why don't we just say that whites have no good reason to hate blacks, and blacks have no good reason to hate whites. Is that OK with you?

[Verto]

Well for starters, the level of trade would've been nowhere near as large if the other continents hadn't wanted african slaves for their menial work.

The level of trade would'n't have been anywhere near as large if the Africans hadn't been so eager to sell off their brothers. Let's not act as if slavery was an alien concept to Africa before the white man came.

[DinoDoc]

I could just as easily argue that had the Africans not been more than willing to seel thier bretheren into bondage none of that happens. This is like argueing who is less scummy in a pond full of scum.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Theben


Well for starters, the level of trade would've been nowhere near as large if the other continents hadn't wanted african slaves for their menial work. They wouldn't have gone on long passages stuffed in dehumanizing conditions to a land that they were completely disconnected from, and the african continent wouldn't have suffered from the wars that were started for the sole purpose of getting more slaves, and the resultant devestation to the cultures from population loss, war, and shattered societies.

Those that were sold into slavery were slaves already. Slavery did exist in Africa before the white man came you know.

[Verto]

Get yer own rebuttals!

[Pax]

Your argument is that it's africans fault for slavery. it's the indians fought for losing there land and it's the chinese fought that the british forced opium on them. The europeans are saints

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Verto
Get yer own rebuttals!

Sorry, I hadn't read your post yet.

[David Floyd]

No, that isn't my argument. My argument is that if you hate whites because of the slave trade, you might as well hate black people along with them.

Although come to think of it, YES! Africans DO bear some responsibility for the slave trade, as has already been pointed out numerous times by numerous people.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Japher

That is why it is wrong... the FACT that you grew up using the word, and the FACT that it is DIFFERENT when you use it, make a lot of difference in why black communities are generally less affluent than others, and generally feel ostaziced from the rest of American society which they lable as THE MAN... It isn't so much the WORD, but that CONNOTATION.

b) I am right... Words have power

I didn't disagree with you. In fact, what you've stated is so obvious it needn't be said. Your point?

It should also be just as obvious that the same word can have different meanings when used by different people. So what?

As an(other) example, you could have:

a 60 year old woman call a 25 year woman "hon" or "honey"

and a 30 year old man call a 25 year old woman "hon" or "honey"

Note the different context- so you get different meaning.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Theben


wrong answer- please try again.

Can I ask the audience?

[Verto]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
Your argument is that it's africans fault for slavery. it's the indians fought for losing there land and it's the chinese fought that the british forced opium on them. The europeans are saints

No, my argument is that every problem in the world is not the White Man's Burden.

[Pax]

Rudyard Kipling says that it is. He says that the white man is needed to rule the world.