Bonds cheated. Strip him of home run record?

[DinoDoc]

So you believe that records obtained through the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs has no bearing on the validity of the stats he got or has no adverse effect on the athletes that aren't using them?

[Ming]

But that's the point... according to MLB... they were NOT illegal.

[DinoDoc]

Ming we can play these semantic games if you want but you and I both know the use of these drugs has had a corrosive effect on the integrity of the game and sports in general.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So you believe that records obtained through the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs has no bearing on the validity of the stats he got or has no adverse effect on the athletes that aren't using them?

If I was mad at that, I'd have to be mad at the stats put up by Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle, and I'm not. It'd be the height of hypocracy to say Barry's records are illegitimate and hold up Mantle's and Mays's at the same time. Not to mention George Brett and Mike Schmidt.

[Ming]

No.. I don't "know" that... I"m sorry. Baseball didn't care enought, so why should I. There are a lot of things that can enhance performance... and unless the league outlaws them... they are fair game. It was NOT illegal to use them... I'm surprised more didn't.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And, remember, Bonds had plenty of MVPs before people thought he was all on steroids.

[Drake Tungsten]

Bonds is a cheat. What he did may not have technically been against the rules, but it definitely was an underhanded act that gave him an unfair advantage over the competition, which is my definition of "cheating".

[Kuciwalker]

IT WASN'T UNFAIR. Any of them could do it. Otherwise, practicing is "cheating"

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Sadly, I think Ming's correct. McGuire was taking something that he admitted. It was a pre-steroid that you can buy legitimately in many nuitritional supplement stores (like GNC). The body converts it to testosterone. It's a technical way of getting around not being able to get steroids, make your body produce more of them.

Androstenedione.

I've seen some recent articles to the effect it doesn't really work, because the effect is too short lived, and it isn't involved in making all the necessary precursors.

[Drake Tungsten]

IT WASN'T UNFAIR. Any of them could do it. Otherwise, practicing is "cheating"

Oh, so you think it's fair to expect every player in Major League Baseball to destroy their bodies with steroids in order to keep up with cheats like Bonds who weren't content with their natural abilities?

[Kuciwalker]

Well, Bonds thought it was an OK tradeoff. If the other people don't want to do it, it's their decision.

I think it's unfair to expect people to exert all that effort to train! And there's the chance that you'll pull something! You can't expect people to expose themselves to that sort of risk

[Drake Tungsten]

This has to be a troll...

[Kuciwalker]

DUH

It's called "sarcasm".

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ain't against the rules, which means it wasn't an unfair advantage. Any other player could have done it.

[Drake Tungsten]

Any other player could have done it.

Yeah, if they break the law by using an illegal substance that slowly destroys their body.

You guys are unreal.