CIA sabotaged Soviet Union in 1982

[DanS]

If it's been approved, and done above-board, no.

By law, no American company is allowed to do business with these countries. By this definition, these countries are stealing American technology every time they boot up their PCs.

Why would you imagine they wouldn't be?

I'm still formulating my opinions on this. At first blush, it seems somewhat unfair, at least with regard to Iranian private industry. On the other hand, I have no desire to lend even indirect support to the Iranian theocracy.

Anyway, this gives an awful lot of coercive power to the US government in today's day and age through globalization.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris



The age of Soviet imperialism ended in 1922.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


About Soviet Union and AFGHANISTAN- the rest is common knowledge, any Soviet Politics 101 course will teach you this.

The age of Soviet imperialism ended in 1922.

Yes, I'm sure the Czechs will agree.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

They were happy with EE

So, I'm guessing Afghanistan has been relocated to Eastern Europe?

Afganistan asked for Soviet help against CIA armed terrorists. And what horrible things did the Soviets do while there? Hmmm, built roads, hospitals, schools, etc.

Since the U.S. backed forces took over what happened? They destroyed the hsoitals and schools and re-enslaved the women. Then they attacked their benefacted and massacred 3,000 Americans. Good plan guys.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yeah, he satisfied their ends of expanding their influence. They didn't back him before because he could have lost. When he won, it was safe to declare support.

Actually, Castro had never been a true communist. He settled for Communism only after his coup, and only then he got support from the USSR.

Most socialist revolutions were successful because of popular support, while most right-wing ones were successful because of US intervention.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Afganistan asked for Soviet help against CIA armed terrorists. And what horrible things did the Soviets do while there? Hmmm, built roads, hospitals, schools, etc.

Since the U.S. backed forces took over what happened? They destroyed the hsoitals and schools and re-enslaved the women. Then they attacked their benefacted and massacred 3,000 Americans. Good plan guys.

Che, that's a troll right? You're baiting the less suspecting on, right?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ted Striker

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Yes, I'm sure the Czechs will agree.

Idiots. EE fell under Soviet influence, because EE had NEVER been independant. Throughout history, it had been either under Ottoman rule, Prussian, Austrian, Russian, etc.

Stalin took the opportunity left by the demise of Germany- just like America and Britain installed capitalism in the countries they liberated themselves. Once, however, he had annexed this territory, he would obviously do what's required to keep it. Politics 101: 'Internal security', however oppressive it may be, is not imperialism.

[Verto]

Yeah, I knew you would bring this up. Well, I think the point was to get access to the sea. The country was insignificant, and it was adjacent, so I guess the USSR thought it was 'theirs'

Taking Afghanistan to gain access to the sea was not imperialism?

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Stalin took the opportunity left by the demise of Germany- just like America and Britain installed capitalism in the countries they liberated themselves. Once, however, he had annexed this territory, he would obviously do what's required to keep it. Politics 101: 'Internal security', however oppressive it may be, is not imperialism.

Are you a complete loon?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Che, that's a troll right? You're baiting the less suspecting on, right?

No, that's the truth.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Stalin took the opportunity left by the demise of Germany- just like America and Britain installed capitalism in the countries they liberated themselves.

Actually, it's a bit more sinister than that. Given that the resistence to the Nazi-occupation in Europe was led by Communists almost everywhere, it was imperative for the great powers (including the USSR) to insure there was no power vacuume which could lead to a revolution.

Far from being betrayed by Stalin, the Western Allies sold-out Eastern Europe, in exchange for Stalin yanking the leash of the Communists in Allied territory, like Italy, Greece, France, etc. Given the nature of the Stalinist regime, communist revolution was as dangerous to him as it was to the Allies, as a democratic communist state would show the lie that was the USSR,

Furthermore, because the war wrecked Eastern Europe, the Allies wanted to see the Soviets stuck with the rebuilding effort, which would drain the Soviet economy (and it did for fifty years). Only in East Germany, where the Soviets packed up whole factories and shipped them to the USSR did the USSR see any economic benefit to grabbing Eastern Europe.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Verto
Taking Afghanistan to gain access to the sea was not imperialism?

I was mistaken on this one. Read Chegitz's post.

Are you a complete loon?

Was the war of Secession an imperialist move?

Stalin didn't intend to attack EE- he jumped on the opportunity. Chegitz's post makes lots of sense: a democratic communist revolution would have been a threat to Stalin.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, it's a bit more sinister than that. Given that the resistence to the Nazi-occupation in Europe was led by Communists almost everywhere, it was imperative for the great powers (including the USSR) to insure there was no power vacuume which could lead to a revolution.

True.

Far from being betrayed by Stalin, the Western Allies sold-out Eastern Europe, in exchange for Stalin yanking the leash of the Communists in Allied territory, like Italy, Greece, France, etc. Given the nature of the Stalinist regime, communist revolution was as dangerous to him as it was to the Allies, as a democratic communist state would show the lie that was the USSR,

True, that Stalin didn't betray the Allies: already in 1943, Churchill agreed on zones of influence.
It also may be true that some communists could have been, in fact, a threat to Stalin- but weren't most resistance communists also those who became Stalin's puppets?

Furthermore, because the war wrecked Eastern Europe, the Allies wanted to see the Soviets stuck with the rebuilding effort, which would drain the Soviet economy (and it did for fifty years). Only in East Germany, where the Soviets packed up whole factories and shipped them to the USSR did the USSR see any economic benefit to grabbing Eastern Europe.

What, they knew they'd rebuild France and Italy while USSR would fail with their own?

[Ted Striker]

Good lawd

You guys have been listening to too much Pacifca radio

I and the people of the United States of America personally apologize for picking on the poor, defenseless, benevolent Soviet Union.

The Russians never did anything wrong. It was the USA's fault, completely. 100%

Chegitz if you love Russia so much then get the **** out of the USA and move there

[Shi Huangdi]

"Idiots. EE fell under Soviet influence, because EE had NEVER been independant. Throughout history, it had been either under Ottoman rule, Prussian, Austrian, Russian, etc."

That isn't true. Czechoslovakia was independent before as the Kingdom of Bohemia, Hungary was it's own independent kingdom, Poland was independent until the 18th century and was at one time a great power, Albania was around, etc. Moreover, all of the states had been independent after Versailles or a little before that in some cases, and then the Soviet Union forced them into their cruel system and made them sattelites. I can't see how you can possibly justify putting them under your yoke just because they were under a different yoke previously.

In addition to Czecholsovakia, what about supporting the NK attack on South Korea? Or the clampdown on Hungary? Or demands made on the Turkish government for a base in the Straits? Or Backing the North Vietnamese against the South? Or any number of pro-Soviet people they backed abroad...

Trying to use historical imperial domination of this area as an excuse to justify the Soviet's action smashes your credibility.

"Given the nature of the Stalinist regime, communist revolution was as dangerous to him as it was to the Allies, as a democratic communist state would show the lie that was the USSR,"

What!? The foreign communists were all Pro-Soviet. What about the Italian Communists saying that in a war with the Soviet Union they would back the USSR?

[Harry Tuttle]

Shi, save your hands from carpal tunnel. These geniuses need something to latch onto to feel special and the great red menace is it.