CIA sabotaged Soviet Union in 1982

[mrmitchell]

It's a good idea though. In effect, they paid us to hurt them.

[Shogun Gunner]

the classic "double whammy"

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


No it's not. USSR was not a threat,

Liar.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The main factor, however, was the internal contradiction of socialist economy without a socialist government. Most of the rest of the stuff merely hastened the end.

Translation:

The main factor was that the members of the soviet government were as corrupt as every other government and stole more than their poorly managed (ie ****hole) economy could generate.


My addition:


The western governments steal just as much but there is less interference with the economy (so there is more money to go around).

Thank god for port (I've run out of gin)!

[Barinthus]

I finally got to read that article. Fascinating! Perhaps this did cause things to worsen in terms of the Soviet paranoia but that 's hindsight.

At that time, what do you expect Americans to do? Just let it slide? I find this completely justified.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by DataAeolus
Perhaps this did cause things to worsen in terms of the Soviet paranoia but that 's hindsight.

Oh god

Anyway, Russia would appreciate some help now. Despose of Putin!

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And a bad one. 0.1/10

No. Russia never, ever considered South America, Southern Asia, or Africa, to be within its sphere of influence. Believe it or not, most communist guerillas had popular support but failed because of the lack of commitment from the USSR. If the USSR had been more agressive, South America and Africa would be communist today.

Castro received help from them 1-2 years after he rose to power. America had had nukes within range of Soviet territory long before they even considered putting some in Cuba.

The USSR believed its 'territory' to be Eastern Europe and Northern Asia. At the same time, America was fvcking everything worldwide, funding dictators and making sure the Corporations would get access to the mines.

It's not a bad troll. Throughout the Cold War, the USSR was mainly REACTING to American provocation.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, can we ask the Polish, Czechs, Latvians, etc, etc about that? Yes, so not a threat that they never funded Communists in other parts of the world at all. They never had spys in the US State Department. Of course not... no threat at all .

[Nubclear]

The US never commited ANY negative action during the cold war
Perhaps the White House needs to re-educate you Fakeboris

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yes, can we ask the Polish, Czechs, Latvians, etc, etc about that?

I said they considered EASTERN EUROPE to be part of their domain, not the whole world. Are you lacking reading skills?

Yes, so not a threat that they never funded Communists in other parts of the world at all.

They did it with much less insistance than the US did with their own thugs. That is the reason why Communism failed to spread widely- because of America's stronger commitment. I mean, who sent 500,000 men to Vietnam? Who sent ships to blockade Cuba?

Now, do you expect a superpower to completely ignore potential allies? Neither you or I do. My claim was simply: the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy. EE was their playground, period- probably not Africa, and definitely and certainly not South America. Their foreign policy was misinterpreted and played upon for propaganda (very successful propaganda, seeing how people are reacting to my 'troll'.

They never had spys in the US State Department. Of course not... no threat at all .

Where did I say that? Of course any superpower will have spies everywhere. Gee, even Canada does.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Where did I say that? Of course any superpower will have spies everywhere. Gee, even Canada does.

OK, I wouldn't go that far.

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
My claim was simply: the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy.

That motto "Workers of the World, Unite!" and the formation of Comintern probably kind of threw the West off.

[Nubclear]

The West isn't very smart then, are they?

But then again, everyone knows

[The Mad Monk]

Having your leader shout "We will bury you!" wasn't exactly MENSA-grade material, either.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I said they considered EASTERN EUROPE to be part of their domain, not the whole world.

USSR was not a threat

Was to them. Of course it ain't imperialism if its close to home .

That is the reason why Communism failed to spread widely- because of America's stronger commitment.

So you are mad because the US was more successful than the Soviets in installing its own loyal governments around the world?

the USSR had no global, world conquest strategy. EE was their playground, period- probably not Africa, and definitely and certainly not South America.

Africa? Does Angola ring a bell at all? And it wasn't like the Commies didn't help back socialists in Chile and Nicaragua. Oh wait... I guess they did. That whole Comintern thing and backing of foriegn communists doesn't exactly make your claim seem very truthful .

Of course any superpower will have spies everywhere. Gee, even Canada does.

Infiltrating a great amount of another country's government agencies is bit more than the normal course.