The Passion rotten so far

[MrBaggins]

Yep.. "the historical violence" is acceptable is revisionist, because Christian groups have criticized historical violence in movies just as much as current violence.

Whats the difference? Justification for the violence? Well... thats obviously in the eye of the beholder.

I'd say that the obvious reason for acceptability for this movies violence is purely that it suits their purposes this time.

If you showed explicit, brutal, prolonged and gory violence of, say... the Crusades, I wonder how Christians would view that...

[Patroklos]

You have to remember that it is a Passion film, which is a very specific entity. The point is to emphasize the suffering of Christ. It is not meant to be the total story of Jesus. It that context the gore and limited scope is appropriate.

As far as ratings go remember:

a) it is on a controversial topic, so it is going to disagree with alot of people.

b) It is a downer, and is supposed to make you ashamed of the sins of man. It isn't a feel good movie, so don't expect alot of happy viewers.

c) it is written from a strict Catholic point of view, the majority of the viewers are not Catholic, let alone strict Mel type Catholics.

d) It recieved so much undue hype that people are expecting something that doesn't exist. Just like SW prequels fell short.

e)Since it does not cover most of Jesus's life in its entirety, and Passion stories are from a time when everyone studdied the Bible at nauseum, some people will miss the nuances.

[MrBaggins]

There is gore... and there is Gore.

The film doesn't portray regular suffering... it portrays some warped form of extended torture... where the person is killed many times over before you even get to the cross.

Its not watching jc, its watching Kenny from South Park, or Wyle E. Coyote.

In many ways, its the definition of violence without reaction... that is realistic violence without realistic reaction.

How does that benefit or educate anyone?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I like how it's been judged by so many who have yet to see it. I think some people are going by ideology more then review of a movie.

Don't like it when the shoe's on the other foot, eh?

Christian groups have seen fit to lambast movies, plays and books that they don't think fit their ideology without ever having actually seen them or understood the context. They even picket things without having seen them.

[RGBVideo]

"The Butcher Boy"

...is a complete, predictable ripoff from "American Psycho", except it maybe contains even less psychological hooks than the original. Critics seem to like The Butcher Boy though, probably because the boy in there is ~15 years younger than the guy in the other one, thus they don't feel empathy towards him as much as towards the boy.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Always look on the bright side of death.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by VJ

...is a complete, predictable ripoff from "American Psycho", except it maybe contains even less psychological hooks than the original. Critics seem to like The Butcher Boy though, probably because the boy in there is ~15 years younger than the guy in the other one, thus they don't feel empathy towards him as much as towards the boy.

Bah... they are completely different.

American Psycho didn't try to explain or excuse the character, which I completely respected. Its was largely a social comment on the 80's.

The Butcher Boy had an implicit explanation and excuse... the boy was driven to this by perhaps his family and perhaps the church. It included a subtext of commentary on Ireland... but that wasn't the point of the film... it was incidental... not intentional as in American Psycho.

I think you'd agree post-war Ireland and Manhattan in the 1980's are quite different animals.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
There is gore... and there is Gore.

doesn't portray regular suffering... it portrays some warped form of extended torture...

My feelings on Gore as well. Thankfully he didn't win.

Now all we have to deal with is regular suffering.

[Rogan Josh]

I think I will wait until I have seen the movie before expressing my opinions.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


My feelings on Gore as well. Thankfully he didn't win.

Now all we have to deal with is regular suffering.

Oh.. if only that were true. Shrub and his cohorts are obviously the worst plague imaginable.

[needle]

Mel messed up on who killed JC. It was the Romans executing a rebel. Says so in the Bibble. And anyway, isn't the point of the whole Son-Of-God thing that JC was supposed to die anyway?[deepvoice] FOR ALL MEN'S SINS[/deepvoice]

Are Joe Pesci and Danny Glover in it?

[The Mad Monk]

DL

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Agathon
I can't wait for

[voiceover]Two thousand years ago, they took everything he had...

Now he's back, and he's fighting for justice the only way he knows how...

This time it's personal... this time he will win... and this summer he's coming to a cinema near you - and let me tell you buddy, he ain't takin' no loincloth jokes from no pinko-atheist punks.

Something is rotten in the State of Galilee and Jesus is taking out the trash!

[Guynemer]

The REAL Hebrew Hammer

[FrostyBoy]

I just saw the movie yesterday, and I have to say that the movie was very well done.

It's true, it's not the story of Jesus, it's the story of why Jesus died for us, why he was willing to go through all that pain. It's a very powerful and moving picture; most of you would cry at least once, no matter what you believe in, I can guarantee that.

All in all, great movie, great acting and of course, one of the most emotional movies I have ever watched.

I suggest you go watch it before you judge it (then you would make sense )