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That doesn't mean anything. The 17th amendment which allows popular election in the Senate for instance contradicts the original provision that legislatures elect the Senate. That doesn't mean that it's thrown out because it "violates" the original provision. What an amendment does is change the constitution.
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Indeed. The courts sort out the grey areas, afterwards.Originally posted by Sava
so amendments can contradict each other as long as they are in succession?
Providing its not completely overlapping the prior amendment, of course.Comment
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so amendments can contradict each other as long as they are in succession?
Yep. Look at the 18th and 21st Amendment. The 21st says, basically, we are tossing out the 18th.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Bork?Originally posted by Ned
Bush made it clear that he does not oppose civil unions and the author of the US constitutional amendment offered to change the language to make that abundantly clear.Comment
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but doesn't the 21st specifically void the 18th? would a marriage amendment void the 1st and 14th?Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
so amendments can contradict each other as long as they are in succession?
Yep. Look at the 18th and 21st Amendment. The 21st says, basically, we are tossing out the 18th.
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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34 Senators definitely opposing the Amendment:
These are official finds through the press or the senators offices. These are not speculation. It looks like the bill is DEAD. This should be forwarded to the news agencies. Let them start talking about it.
34 confirmed:
Boxer
Breaux
Carper
Chafee (R)
Clinton
Collins (R)
Corzine
Daschle
Dodd
Edwards
Feinstein
Fiengold
Graham
Hagel (R)
Jeffords
Kennedy
Kerry
Lautenburg
Leahy
Lieberman
Lugar (R)
McCain (R)
Murray
Nelson
Schumer
Snowe (R)
Campbell (R)
Durbin
Wyden
Cantwell
Reid
Alexander (R)
Bingaman
Lincoln"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Snowe and McCain are good repukes
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Only with regards to gay marriage. But the 1st isn't relevant at all.but doesn't the 21st specifically void the 18th? would a marriage amendment void the 1st and 14th?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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but marriage is pretty much a religious institution... that kinda violates "congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion"Originally posted by Ramo
Only with regards to gay marriage. But the 1st isn't relevant at all.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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But doesn't the 21st specifically void the 18th? would a marriage amendment void the 1st and 14th?
Sava, slow down and think this through for a second. How would a gay marriage amendment void out parts of an amendment it doesn't even discuss? It only voids out the 14th in respect to what is covered by that marriage amendment.
Snowe and McCain are good repukes
What about Hagel, Lugar, and Campbell (and the rest of the Republicans, whom I don't know
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“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Not really. It's a civil institution (which discriminates against certain people)."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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the 14th says equal protection under law banning gay marriage is unequal protection under law... plus there's some crap about privilages I think.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Sava, slow down and think this through for a second. How would a gay marriage amendment void out parts of an amendment it doesn't even discuss? It only voids out the 14th in respect to what is covered by that marriage amendment.
the jury is still out on those... the only repukes I'm sure of are McCain and SnoweWhat about Hagel, Lugar, and Campbell (and the rest of the Republicans, whom I don't know).
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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but weddings are in churches... and performed by priests... and conservatives are using the bible and christianity for the basis of their opposition saying marriage is an institution defined by god. That sounds like a religious law to me.Originally posted by Ramo
Not really. It's a civil institution (which discriminates against certain people).To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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the 14th says equal protection under law banning gay marriage is unequal protection under law...
And this is inconsistent with what I said how? If this passes, then equal protection as it relates to gay marriages will not apply. It applies for every other context.
(We so need to start teaching more civics in school
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“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I love to sit back and think abut what a truly "Sacred Union" marriage is. Marriage is an eternal bond that can be solidified by Elvis at a drive through in Las Vegas and then ended in a divorce that passes just as quickly as the marrriage did the next day.Comment
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