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  • #76
    We believe in helping people in their countries (though we don't help them in their countries) rather than taking them in (which we don't).




    Finland could solve it's problems be reducing taxation and spending.

    Yeah, those poor finns... wait, what are Finland's problems again?
    urgh.NSFW

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Azazel
      It took us time to accept Jews as being real French citizens. With the population pressure, we obviously need to accept Muslims the same, without pointing our fingers at them on the grounds they are Muslim. I sure hope we won't need an holocaust to that effect.

      The difference is, Jews DID integrate into French society on the french society's terms, the moment they were declared equal. The muslims want their own terms, and the average french citizen doesn't feel like it.
      Not exactly. For a long time, the Jews "integrated" very similarly to our current Chinese: working for other Jews, living in Jewish neighborhoods of their choice, standing up for the community etc.

      Our Muslims are different: there was hardly a Muslim / Arabic community in France until recently. Immigrants went the official route, instead of being introduced by relatives. They have been mostly placed in impoverished neighborhoods by the authorities. They have been working for mainstream French bosses, with mainstream French colleagues, and their kids speak French with each other (the latter is completely different from actual communities such as the Chinese or the Turks).

      Wrt Jews, from the mainstream society's POV, the Jews were still a different thing, with the ZOG and all that crap. Even in 1936, barely before the holocaust, generalities on the Jews (or rather "the Jew" as it was called) went galore, and you could even see newspapers' headlines such as "The Jew Blum [our prime minister of the time] did this and that".

      The problem is that the French society refuses Muslims and Arabs just like it refused the Jews, despite most of the youth having tried hard to be full-fledged Frenchmen. Even today, the main sub-culture in the ghetto is hardly Muslim nor Arabic: it's French gangsta, with only a few words from Arabic origins (well, the fact we have many Blacks in our ghettoes does help in this regard).

      If we continue to reject our Arabs outright because of the little cultural bagage they continue to carry (and radical Islam doesn't belong to it: it was imported recently, when Saudi Arabia understood there was demand here), we are doomed to further antagonize them, and further radicalize them.

      If we advocate this course, we can vote Le Pen right now, because we'll be forcing them to have to leave.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Gangerolf
        Anyone read "Why I am not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq? It's written by a (ex-)muslim and basically it says that Islam is f.u.b.a.r.

        I think the Western world should do more to fight Islamism, at least in our own countries. The question is how? I hope and think it can be done within a democratic frame work.
        Islam is a legitimate religion -- we don't need to "fight" it.

        It's the extremists who twist the Islamic religion to justify their inhuman actions that we need to fight.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #79
          Azazel, high unemployment, high taxation, the climate (Durrgh!), the lacking channels in cable, stupid girls, the fact that it takes few months for new movies to come in theaters from the US, high internet connection prices and some ISPs using their monopoly (owning all the freaking cables and networks) which is now under investigation YAAAAAAY I applaud this (justice!), the general alcohol problem and everything that comes with it, the lack of nuclear weapons, the prices of coca cola (AAAAAAAARGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!) and other products.

          JUST TO MENTION FEW!
          In da butt.
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          • #80
            MrFun:
            I don't know for you, but in my book, "Islamism" means "radical Islam".
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            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
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            • #81
              Spiffor-
              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Azazel


                Yes. but the change of the european society from a deeply religious one to an almost completely secular one was ground-breaking. This will not be the case with Islam. It's not as if secular society is something unheard of. It's right next door. They're constantly exposed to it, but see it through a filter of deep conservatism, and superiority. I am glad that you agree that this change is necessary, but do we just let this pot stir itself, and wait for a thousand years of a wrong, and opressive society?
                That was exactly the case in Europe 1000 years ago, where the practically secular English church was right next to the Cluniac reformers pushing for fundamentalism. In that instance it was the fundamentalists who won, but not for long-term. History is not that simple.

                I never said that all muslims pose a threat, or that anyone should go on a crusade. I am saying that our own societies must be protected against this scourge. the problem is not in the individuals, it's in the dynamics of their societies.
                If you view groups of society en masse as a scourge, prepare to be whipped by it. That approach isn't solving the problem- it's exacerbating it. I find it really rather disturbing that you can label the societies of a huge chunk of the world as a "scourge". That's a bad mentality to hold.
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                • #83
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Spiffor
                    MrFun:
                    I don't know for you, but in my book, "Islamism" means "radical Islam".
                    ah -- ok


                    As long as Islamism means only the extremists, fine -- I was just confusing Islamism with the term Islam.
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Pekka
                      Azazel, high unemployment, high taxation, the climate (Durrgh!), the lacking channels in cable, stupid girls, the fact that it takes few months for new movies to come in theaters from the US, high internet connection prices and some ISPs using their monopoly (owning all the freaking cables and networks) which is now under investigation YAAAAAAY I applaud this (justice!), the general alcohol problem and everything that comes with it, the lack of nuclear weapons, the prices of coca cola (AAAAAAAARGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!) and other products.

                      JUST TO MENTION FEW!
                      All of this will be obviously solved if you lower taxes
                      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by our_man
                        It's amazing that people are opposing Denmarks stance in this. The people that defend radical imams and their rhetoric just can't seem to understand that these people are a danger to our society. Hell, some Muslim immigrants would support this as the reason they fled to Europe in the first place was to escape from there crazed loons. The Muslim Council of Britain has stated before that extremists that hijack their religion for evil should not be tolerated.
                        Excellent. Let the Muslim Council condemn them. That's a darned sight more effective in the long-run that non-Islamic governments passing ostensibly anti-Islamic laws. It's progress, and proof of what our Islamic communities can become if gob****e kneejerk MP's don't try to stick their oar in.

                        I remember after those two British Muslims went to Israel to become suicide bombers (after being urged on by one of Islams many 'holy men') the head of the Muslim Council in Britain adopted a far harder line than the British government, saying that there were some elements in British society that have been tolerated for far too long. He gave me the impression that if he were Prime Minister he'd clear the country of these guys. The secular Muslims can see that these people are a threat, so why are there still people defending them?
                        Given that he was referring to British citizens, how woul the country be rid of them?
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                        • #87
                          Ok. The stupid girls and the cold climate might be there to stay (Who says stupid girls are not a blessing in disguise?) but the unemployment and lack of corporate investment in television can be helped tremendously by policies which encourage corporate growth. That would mainly be tax cuts.
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                          • #88
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by our_man
                              With regard to getting rid of the extremists who are British citizens, I don't have a clue. Aren't the government introducing some law though that will make it easier to strip people of their citizenship? To be honest, it was pretty stupid of your government to grant them citizenship in the first place.
                              Strip them of their citizenship and send them where? What about the extremists who were born here? Banishment has rather gone out of fashion these days.
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                              • #90
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