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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sava
    big deal, I say that to everyone... you should read more socrates to find out what wisdom is... admitting your own ignorance.
    I'll grant you one thing. You'll admit your ignorance. And boy oh boy, is it huge.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #32
      npr = less biased news


      I think I've shown that ain't true. Just as biased as anything else.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        I think I've shown that ain't true. Just as biased as anything else.
        yes, one incident from 1989... CASE CLOSED!



        I can turn on my tv and watch 5 minutes of fox, msnbc, and cnn and see more bias than NPR... you're wrong and that's that.

        enjoy the rest of the discussion
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #34
          one incident from 1989


          I see three linked articles here... two of them are from 2002. How many more do you want?

          I can turn on my tv and watch 5 minutes of fox, msnbc, and cnn and see more bias than NPR... you're wrong and that's that.


          NPR agrees with you so you see less bias. You're wrong and that's that.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #35
            The Macneil-Lehrer news hour was the most unbiased hour of news in the united states. Because of this, it was also the driest. So I stopped watching it.
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            Drake Tungsten
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            • #36
              I can't stand the BBC, not because of political bias, but because of arrogant up their own arses reporting.
              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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              • #37
                Fox = Sky because Murdoch tells them what to say. So if you want to be goosestepping behind some australian billionaire feel free.

                The BBC news is a bit dumbed down for me, I personally like Channel 4 here, which is probably significantly more left wing than the BBC but whose standards of reporting are significantly higher.

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                • #38
                  Here's one point that puzzles me-

                  The mantra I hear on Apolyton goes "The BBC is biased against the USA! The BBC is biased against the USA!". Repeat until true.

                  Now I supported the invasion of Iraq, and I still do. I watched the BBC news coverage constantly throughout the war and the aftermath, and I still do.

                  I never once got the impression that the BBC was biased against the military action.

                  Sure- they broadcast statements from pro-Iraqi sources which were anti-invasion. They also broadcast opposing viewpoints. That's what the BBC does- it often doesn't give a unified corporate line as "THE TRUTH!", but gives reportage and comments from both sides. I realise that may be a difficult concet to grasp for those used to having their opinions spoon-fed to them by anchormen, but if you're one of those people that likes to have a lot of info from both sides of the debate and make your own mind up, it's a joy, I can assure you.

                  Now I can understand that anyone just tuning in for 2-minute soundbites might end up apopleptic with rage after hearing a viewpoint that disagrees with their own, but I didn't get that impression. I'd also remind all participants that every British government I can recall has moaned about the BBC being biased against them- and I think that's a good sign. People like Fez might like to question their received wisdom on the subject.

                  I doubt the BBC will be broken up- it'll be suicide for the government doing so because the BBC is held in far greater affection than any government.
                  The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                    • #40
                      Laz, you just killed this thread...
                      Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
                      And notifying the next of kin
                      Once again...

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by lightblue
                        Fox = Sky because Murdoch tells them what to say. So if you want to be goosestepping behind some australian billionaire feel free.
                        I've watched Fox, and I watch Sky. The two stations are definitely not alike.
                        One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                        • #42
                          It's true though, if Blair tried to break up the BBC, in combination with recent events which are reflecting on him, he will have handed the next election to the opposition on a platter. The only reason he hasn't already is because people are wary of the conservatives.
                          Speaking of Erith:

                          "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                          • #43
                            Will the BBC devolve more programming decisions to regional level to keep the Scottish and Welsh MP's and Scottish Parliament/Welsh Assembly happy - possibly.

                            Will there be an independent regulator separate from the BBC board of governors- very probably. What worries the rest of the UK media is that once there is some sort of independent regulator they will inevitably be subject to similar controls, hence their "support" for the BBC.

                            Will anything else be changed - very unlikely. Government consultation nowadays almost always proposes more drastic changes than actually happen so that the Government can say they dropped proposals after listening to public views.

                            You read it here first.
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                            • #44
                              I say I like NPR and then Fez and Sava make the whole thread explode. Fez is still Murdoch's spambot, as usual.

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                              • #45
                                Well said, Laz.
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