Russia plans nuclear wargame

[notyoueither]

btw, which liberal democracies did not do something to counter the Red Menace? I'm sure the Soviets and PRC had equally good terms for the 'weak willed West'.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by paiktis22
NYE, I think you're delluding yourself if you think it was.

I'm positive you don't have a freekin clue what you are talking about. So we can call it even.

[Bereta_Eder]

If that suits you, sure. I don't expect you to change your opinion, I'm pretty sure it's too late for that.

[notyoueither]

You are sure about a lot of things, patty cakes, but living through the Cold War as a citizen of a liberal democracy is something you lack first hand experience with. So why don't you save it for your analyst?

[Bereta_Eder]

Falling back on sentimentality makes poor science NYE

[Bereta_Eder]

Also FYI There are many places in the world that are in more dire geopolitical situations (and hence closer to what's really "going down") than Canada. I'm sure it must have been hard there, no doubt.. sure

[notyoueither]

Science according to patty cakes. This should be good.

[Bereta_Eder]

I'm just a conduit!

[Bereta_Eder]

Anyway at least you got an answer to the question you were asking Vagabond. Wether your mind accepts it or not it's your issue.

[notyoueither]

No, I am still waiting.

[notyoueither]

I asked him specifically, not you, Patty Cakes.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by notyoueither
btw, which liberal democracies did not do something to counter the Red Menace? I'm sure the Soviets and PRC had equally good terms for the 'weak willed West'.

I just saw that too.

Couple of things about it.

1st. It's a question of who actually did what. Not everyone did the same or the same scale of despicable schemes. Everyone has a choice and everyone exercised it.

2nd. Which choice becomes apparent when you realize that many of the things that some liberal democracies did were not for survival but for interests. And those same entities will continue to practice the same since survival was in many cases used as a pretext.
Hence very few things have actually changed because they never were what you were led to believe in the first place.

To cut a long story short, you can't convince another one that what they're seeing is not an elephant. Interests were to a large degree the driving force. And interests remain.

[notyoueither]

Again, my dense friend, survival was the over-riding interest.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by notyoueither
No, I am still waiting.

Then you're not paying much attention

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You didn't answer the real question though. Who is threatening Russia, and why do Russians feel threatened?

I am genuinely curious.

NYE, we should distingush between a 'threat' and an 'immediate threat' here. There are no immediate threats to Russia right now, except for islamic militants. But this is largely because the country remains strong. Much weaker than she used to be, but still strong enough.

However, there is a whole bunch of threats on a smaller scale, which should be addressed. For example, consider the quest for influence in the former Soviet republics. The more western puppet regimes are installed there, the weaker Russia becomes. Leaving smaller threats unresolved little by little leads to more serious threats.

In a whole 'big game' which is under way, Russia has retreated to its backyard -- to the former Soviet republics, but not yet to the Russian territory itself (well, perhaps, except for Chechnya). Should this happened, it would be already an immediate threat.

So, basically, it's a real threat of bigger threats.