Russia plans nuclear wargame

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


This tends to be so. Why? I don't know. Perhaps, it's because the former Soviet republics are not big enough for the two of us.

Or maybe they want very little to do with Russia til Russia learns how to behave when you don't get your way on every point?

I mean, come on, these are the victims of the Russian empire that are being discussed. Can you not see their POV?

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Why do you call them puppets?

OK, that was a bit of exaggeration. Of the former Soviet republics, only Georgia can be said to have a puppet government right now.

[Serb]

I mean, come on, these are the victims of the Russian empire that are being discussed. Can you not see their POV?

Victims, my as$.
Then why now, when they are "free" and no longer belong to this evil empire of Russians, absolute majority of them live much, much worse than when they were "slaves"?

[Serb]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I think the question is, why would a government friendly to us necessarily be hostile to you?

That's how it always happens. You should better ask your administration about that.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by notyoueither

Or maybe they want very little to do with Russia til Russia learns how to behave when you don't get your way on every point?

How do you want Russia to behave?? Russia behaved exceptionally well, by your standards, in the first half of 1990s. It's simply that, little by little, a sense of reality has been coming back to Russia.

I mean, come on, these are the victims of the Russian empire that are being discussed. Can you not see their POV?

Of the former Soviet republics, only the Baltics can truely be regarded as victims of the Russian empire.

[Serb]

Vagabond, "whiners" is the proper word here, not "victims".

[notyoueither]

Sorry, Vagabond, the trolls demand attention.

Serb, do most Russians live better now? Or does maybe it take time for things to work their course. I'm sure that standards of living went up markedly in 1921 over 1919, or NOT.

Still, you think that Ukrainians should thank Russia for the famine? Why don't you ask Savas what he thinks about the Russian empire. How about the average Pole?

I'm sure the many victims of the gulags, many of whom were NOT Russian, will thank you profusely for the past 80 years, or NOT.

[Serb]

Just in case if Saras will show up. Hi, buddy.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Of the former Soviet republics, only the Baltics can truely be regarded as victims of the Russian empire.

Countless millions of dead Ukrainians were not victims?

[notyoueither]

I seem to recall entire ethnic group or groups uprooted from the Crimea and transported to the East. 'To the East'. Good euphamism for death by labour in camps.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Serb
Vagabond, "whiners" is the propers word here, not "victims".

No, Serb. We should concede that the Baltics are the victims.

[Serb]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Serb, do most Russians live better now?

Of course not. As well as absolute majority of peoples of former Soviet Union.

Or does maybe it take time for things to work their course. I'm sure that standards of living went up markedly in 1921 over 1919, or NOT.

I think you don't the understand the problem, NYE. For most of the people of former SU, today life standards droped to level of 1919.

Still, you think that Ukrainians should thank Russia for the famine?

They should thank themselves and weather. I can explain why, if you really wish (actually I doubt you wish. You already made up your mind about this issue.

Why don't you ask Savas what he thinks about the Russian empire.

Savas? Who are this people?

How about the average Pole?

I trust them less than Yanks. They born with hatred toward Russia in their veins. Still crying they didn't destroy us when they could.

I'm sure the many victims of the gulags, many of whom were NOT Russian, will thank you profusely for the past 80 years, or NOT.

I'm sure many former citizens of SU, many of whom are NOT Russian consider their life in SU better than their current life.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
No, Serb. We should concede that the Baltics are the victims.

The Baltics were the only victims?

[The Mad Monk]

Russians believe everybody hates them, and are doubtful (to say the least) when told otherwise.

Americans believe everybody loves them, and are shocked (to say the least) when told otherwise.

The constrast is fascinating.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by notyoueither

Countless millions of dead Ukrainians were not victims?

That was a horrible event among other horrible events. But the terror of the regime was applied uniformly to the whole Soviet Union. They didn't die just because they were Ukranians. It was because circumstances turned like that while governed by a cruel regime. It could have well been ethnic Russians in their place.