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    Sweet!
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    • #3
      Again?
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        Massachusetts high court: Same-sex couples entitled to marry

        BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- The Massachusetts high court ruled Wednesday that only full, equal marriage rights for gay couples -- rather than civil unions -- would be constitutional, erasing any doubts that the nation's first same-sex marriages could take place in the state beginning in mid-May.

        The court issued the opinion in response to a request from the state Senate about whether Vermont-style civil unions, which convey the state benefits of marriage -- but not the title -- would meet constitutional muster.

        "The history of our nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal," the four justices who ruled in favor of gay marriage wrote in the advisory opinion. A bill that would allow for civil unions, but falls short of marriage, makes for "unconstitutional, inferior, and discriminatory status for same-sex couples."

        The much-anticipated opinion sets the stage for next Wednesday's constitutional convention, where the Legislature will consider an amendment that would legally define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Without the opinion, Senate President Robert Travaglini had said the vote would be delayed.

        The soonest a constitutional amendment could end up on the ballot would be 2006, meaning that until then, the high court's decision will be Massachusetts law no matter what is decided at the constitutional convention.

        The Supreme Judicial Court ruled in November that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry, and gave the Legislature six months to change state laws to make it happen.

        But almost immediately, the vague wording of the ruling left lawmakers -- and advocates on both side of the issue -- uncertain if Vermont-style civil unions would satisfy the court's decision.

        The state Senate asked for more guidance from the court and sought the advisory opinion, which was made public Wednesday morning when it was read into the Senate record.

        When it was issued in November, the 4-3 ruling set off a firestorm of protest across the country among politicians, religious leaders and others opposed to providing landmark rights for gay couples to marry.

        President Bush immediately denounced the decision and vowed to pursue legislation to protect the traditional definition of marriage. Church leaders in the heavily Roman Catholic state also pressed their parishioners to oppose efforts to allow gays to marry.

        And legislators were prepared to vote on a proposed amendment to the state constitution that would seek to make the court's ruling moot by defining as marriage as a union between one man and one woman -- thus expressly making same-sex marriages illegal in Massachusetts.

        What the case represented, both sides agree, was a significant new milestone in a year that has seen broad new recognitions of gay rights in America, Canada and abroad, including a June U.S. Supreme Court decision striking a Texas ban on gay sex.

        Legal experts, however, said that the long-awaited decision, while clearly stating that it is unconstitutional to bar gay couples from marriage, gave ambiguous instructions to the state Legislature.

        Lawmakers remained uncertain if civil unions went far enough to live up to the court's ruling -- or if actual marriages were required.

        When a similar decision was issued in Vermont in 1999, the court told the Legislature that it could allow gay couples to marry or create a parallel institution that conveys all the state rights and benefits of marriage. The Legislature chose the second route, leading to the approval of civil unions in that state.

        The Massachusetts decision made no mention of an alternative solution, but instead pointed to a recent decision in Ontario, Canada, that changed the common law definition of marriage to include same-sex couples and led to the issuance of marriage licenses there.

        The state "has failed to identify any constitutionally adequate reason for denying civil marriage to same-sex couples," the court wrote. "Barred access to the protections, benefits and obligations of civil marriage, a person who enters into an intimate, exclusive union with another of the same sex is arbitrarily deprived of membership in one of our community's most rewarding and cherished institutions."

        The Massachusetts case began in 2001, when seven gay couples went to their city and town halls to obtain marriage licenses. All were denied, leading them to sue the state Department of Public Health, which administers the state's marriage laws.

        A Suffolk Superior Court judge threw out the case in 2002, ruling that nothing in state law gives gay couples the right to marry. The couples immediately appealed to the Supreme Judicial Court, which heard arguments in March.

        The plaintiffs argued that barring them from marrying a partner of the same sex denied them access to an intrinsic human experience and violated basic constitutional rights.

        During the past decade, Massachusetts' high court has expanded the legal parameters of family, ruling that same-sex couples can adopt children and devising child visitation right for a former partner of a lesbian.

        Massachusetts has one of the highest concentrations of gay households in the country with at 1.3 percent of the total number of coupled households, according to the 2000 census. In California, 1.4 percent of the coupled households are occupied by same-sex partners. Vermont and New York also registered at 1.3 percent, while in Washington, D.C., the rate is 5.1 percent

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        • #5
          "same-sex couples entitled to marry "

          Isn't this redundant? I thought marriage was about two people having the same-sex over and over again.

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          • #6
            It's good to see there are sane places in the US
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Spiffor
              It's good to see there are sane places in the US
              w00t! I'm happy about this because it's going to piss off the gay-hating religious bigots in my country. They are really angry people.
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8


                This is excellent news.

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                • #9
                  I would be interested to know what people living in a settled homosexual or lesbian relationship have to say about the bringing up of children.

                  My instincts suggest that it would be more awkward doing so as a married couple as compared to doing so as a homosexual or lesbian couple not using that title.

                  Because references to a family based on marriage carry the inevitable inbuilt assumption - accurate up to now - that there is a father and a mother.

                  Using the same term for a homosexual/lesbian relationship lands the child with getting their head round being a special case. Which I think would be hard work. And un-necessarily muddling.

                  But maybe a homosexual or lesbian couple with experience of bringing up children would have a different take on this.

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                  • #10
                    I thought marriage was about two people having the same-sex over and over again.


                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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                    • #11
                      This is horrible news for the well-being of all Americans (except them gays, and MrFuns). Now that the sanctity of marriage has been tarnished by them homos everything will have to change... Like, uh... hmmm... ah... Well you know, things in stuff. The important things and stuff, like how much I love my wife. That is all changing because of this! Don't you see it!!!



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                        • #13
                          let freedom ring

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                          • #14
                            Excellent, it's overdue. At my university there's high number of homosexual staff and facility compared to other universities. So to avoid denying benefits normally granted to married couples (insurance, etc) to a large slice of the working community, the university has extended those benefits to employees and their partners. While this meant that same-sex couples can enjoy same benefits that married couples receive, heterosexual non-married couples also can qualify for those benefits.

                            So perhaps as more and more states start to legalize homosexual marriage, we will see a major social change in the States... social engineering of sorts .

                            As for children raised by homosexual couples, it's no big deal really. I have few friends who grew up in same-sex households and they're just like us. And the shocking thing is that not all of them end up homosexuals themselves like some people fretted about.

                            Anyway, it'll be rough for a while but I hope this is here to stay.
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                            • #15
                              It is now only a matter of time before they let people marry animals.

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