Democratic Vice-Presidential Candidate

[Imran Siddiqui]

Nah, people in NYC still remember rudy before 9/11. His image as a saint is large in upstate NY perhaps, and outside on NYC. Sure, he is still popular int eh tri-satte area due to 9/11, but he could not bring Bush any states. Certainly not NY or NJ.

His appeal would go beyond that. Higher up in New England and in the Great Lakes people still love Rudy as the 'guy who cleaned up New York' and, of course, 'Mayor Hero' (TM).

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by randomturn

Jimmytrick, in general:
With regard to Bush getting 400 electoral college votes, I'll bet you $1,000 right now that doens't happen. Barring the capture of OBL, I'll be amazed if Bush wins at all, given his record on jobs, health care, the defecit, the size and spending of his government, education, the environment, immigration, and his open patronage of corporations and the ultra-wealthy. If there's a blow-out, it's more likely to be against the Reps rather than for them.

If Kerry is the nominee I put $2,000 on Bush to get 370 or more electoral votes. If Ming agrees to hold the money.

The whole $2k to Ming within 10 days of the nomination.

Game?

[Edan]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Miller has endorsed Bush for president. Makes it kinda unlikely, I think.

That was before the primary. Think of the coup! Miller endorsed Bush, but now realizes Kerry is better. After all, you once had a veep who refered to his President's economic plan as 'voodoo economics'.

Two problems:

1. (the biggie) Miller has to actually "realize" that Kerry is better than Bush.
2. You'll have people who'll say "I'm torn between Miller and Bush, but even Miller said that the the Bush would make a good president, too".

[joncha]

The bottom line with Miller (and its been Lieberman's problem the whole time) is why vote for Bush Lite when you can have the real thing? If the democrats try to act like republicans in order to gain a southern state they will lose and lose big. This is the lesson of the 2000 election. The only reason more people didn't vote for Nader was the scare tactics and arm twisting of the dems in the final days of the campaign. Rule number one in politics is don't alienate your base.

jon.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If the democrats try to act like republicans in order to gain a southern state they will lose and lose big. This is the lesson of the 2000 election.

The Dems DID NOT LOSE BIG! They almost won. A better campaigner at the top of the ticket, and they would have won it.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The Dems DID NOT LOSE BIG! They almost won. A better campaigner at the top of the ticket, and they would have won it.

You could probably say that about any election.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I meant marginally better... not like Mondale to Clinton better.

[Guynemer]

Why is jimmytrick handing out free money?

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's jimmytrick... nuff said.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Why is jimmytrick handing out free money?

We are compassionate conservatives.

I offer one thousand points of light to brighten your day.

[Guynemer]

If only I had one thousand points of light to wager.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by jimmytrick


If Kerry is the nominee I put $2,000 on Bush to get 370 or more electoral votes. If Ming agrees to hold the money.

The whole $2k to Ming within 10 days of the nomination.

Game?

Your arrogance is so great, I can smell it from my apartment.

[Kuciwalker]

I'd take jimmytrick's bet, but I don't have $2000 (not that I'd ever have to pay up...)

[OzzyKP]

I seriously doubt we'll see Miller. Too conservative to be asked, to conservative to accept.

Richardson is a fantastic suggestion. Bush is gonna be relying heavily on picking up more hispanic voters, if the Dems get a hispanic (though I never would have guessed it if people didn't keep saying it) as Veep, the Dems will totally undercut Bush. Plus strength in southwest swing states would be huge.

Edwards would be good, but I am not confident at all he'd accept the position. I'm amazed he is 50 though, he looks under 40.

Any other popular governors Kerry could tap? Penn's governor maybe? To hopefully get Ohio and WV?

But then again lets examine Bush's choice for Veep in 2000. No one could have predicted that. Dick Cheney was off everyone's radar, and he was from Wyoming. Wyoming as as much a Republican lock as anything. So geography isn't always the reason for a pick. Bush was worried about charges of inexperience, so picked a long standing veteran to strengthen the ticket.

The best way to find out who the Veep will be is to determine some of Kerry's weaknesses. Being from the northeast is just one, but not the only one.

Northeastern
Washington insider
liberal
Little executive experience
elite
hazy policy record over his Senate term

in fact let me repeat "elite" he is winning the primaries now cause he appears presidential, but up against good ol' boy, charismatic Bush, Kerry is gonna get hammered for being a plastic, east coast elite. He may not be robot Al Gore, but he is damn far from Clinton. Bush is gonna paint him as detached from the people, stuck in Washington too long, out of touch with America, etc. This is gonna be Kerry's big weakness, he is gonna need a Veep to address this.

In light of that... I suppose Edwards really is the best choice. Damn, he is screwed if he can't get Edwards, and in a damn nice spot if he does.

Who else compliments his weaknesses?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm amazed he is 50 though, he looks under 40.

Doesn't he though? He looks like he is 39 or something.

Penn's governor maybe?

I don't think Rendell will go for it in his first term. He may wish to fix up the state and I think Kerry doesn't want to go for a Northeasterner.

Who else compliments his weaknesses?

The problem is Southern governors were swept out in the 2002 elections. Barnes of GA or the old Dem governor in SC would have been great, especially since they were for taking down the Confederate flag, which will be good for the base, even if they are fairly conservative in other aspects. That could have been nice... but not anymore.