Who Are Fascists?

[Sava]

Fascism is a seperate ideology from Communism and Capitalism...

[chequita guevara]

#1 Capitalism isn't an ideology.

#2, Fascist countries have capitalist econmies.

[Sava]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Capitalism isn't an ideology.

sure it is

[Sava]

from http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...ry&va=ideology

1 : visionary theorizing
2 a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=capitalism

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

sounds like capitalism fits in the definition of an ideology to me

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
sure it is

No it isn't. There are various ideologies about capitalism, but capitalism itself has no one dieology, nor is it an ideology.

[Sava]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No it isn't. There are various ideologies about capitalism, but capitalism itself has no one dieology, nor is it an ideology.

don't make me school your ass like I did Imran with the definition of "liar"

[chequita guevara]

Oh wee, using the dictionary to define complex human social interactions again. Do you still believe in Santa and the Easter bunny?

Furthermore, your definitions don't support your argument. One is about theories, the other is not. If it isn't about theories, it cannot be an ideology.

[Sava]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Oh wee, using the dictionary to define complex human social interactions again. Do you still believe in Santa and the Easter bunny?

that's right, dictionaries are all wrong

it's too bad people are too proud to admit they are wrong, even when presented with undeniable proof

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
that's right, dictionaries are all wrong

No, they are woefully incomplete when it comes to describing complex human relations.

it's too bad people are too proud to admit they are wrong, even when presented with undeniable proof

It's hardly undeniable proof since: a) your definitions don't support your argument, & b) they are poor definitions. Maybe this would work for a grade school paragraph, but we have somewhat higher standards here.

[chequita guevara]

Please show me where in your definition of capitalism it meets the requirements of the definition of ideology.

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

Where is the "visionary theorizing?"
Where is the "systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture?"
Where is the "manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture?"
Where is the "integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program?"

[Sava]

"systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture?"

unless you have problems reading, there should be no doubt the definition of capitalism directly fits into this definition..

I think YOUR confusion on this issue is that capitalism isn't a POLITICAL ideology. But it is still an IDEOLOGY.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
unless you have problems reading, there should be no doubt the definition of capitalism directly fits into this definition.

I doubt it most strenuously. Capitalism has no systematic body of concepts about anything. It is a mode of being, not thinking.

This is why there are mutiple ideologies about capitalism. Among these ideologies are: laizze-faire-ism, Kenyesianism, monetarism, libertarianism, fascism, and many more. Hell, even Marxism is an ideology of capitalism. But none of these ideologies is capitalism.

[Tripledoc]

What about Turkey? Has there not been some fascist periods in Turkish history? I am especially thinking of the genocide of the Armenians and the continuos war waged against the Kurds. The continous rejection by the Turkish state to accept responsibility in either is also suspicious. Also the severe anti-communism of the state. The founder if the Turkish republic. Atatürk, is still revered as a godlike leader.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
definitions. Maybe this would work for a grade school paragraph, but we have somewhat higher standards here.

We're talking about 'poly right?

[Ecthy]

Higher standards? Well che, what is an ideology in your eyes? Does capitalism not have an idea of man, a world picture, and a theory of cognition? That's what makes an ideology, pinko commie