Who Are Fascists?

[Sava]

systematic body of concepts

private ownership of property, open markets... those sound like a systematic body of concepts to me. The fact that there are different derivations of capitalism don't discount the FACT that it is an ideology.

Che... here's a test... search yahoo for "capitalism ideology" and tell me what you find. m'kay? I'm seeing sites from universities which that describe capitalism as an ideology. Maybe in the CHE dictionary, capitalism isn't an ideology... but in the English language... in the Western world, CAPITALISM IS AN IDEOLOGY

[Bereta_Eder]

Fascism is a distinct ideology also known as far right. There are defining characteristics for it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
What about Turkey? Has there not been some fascist periods in Turkish history?

I would say no. Right-wing authoritiarianism, even genocidal right-wing authoritarianism, does not fascism make. In the case of Turkey, most of the essential requirements for fascism are missing: movment of the ruined middle class and lumpen proletariet, support of the capitalist class, industrialized society, etc.

Ecthilion.

Does capitalism not have an idea of man, a world picture, and a theory of cognition?

No, no, and no.

[Bereta_Eder]

I think capitalism does have a cosmotheory and a view of man. A very bleak one at that but it does.

[Shi Huangdi]

Sava: Chegitz is correct here. There are various ideologies that are supportive of capitalism, such as libertarianism, but it isn't an ideology.

[Bereta_Eder]

Namely that man is by nature greedy and self centered etc

[Ecthy]

paiktis says it, it has one

[Bereta_Eder]

I think capitalism is an ideology. It is a system of operating and viewing the world just as much as socialism is. In fact capitalism and liberalism and/or conservatism are practically identical when compared to socialism.

[Shi Huangdi]

I think the correct way to look at it would be:

Supporting Ideology -------> Economic System

Libertarianism --------> Capitalism

Communism ---------> Planned Economy

Similarly, "Planned Economy" is not an ideology

[Sava]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Sava: Chegitz is correct here. There are various ideologies that are supportive of capitalism, such as libertarianism, but it isn't an ideology.

then you are wrong too

[Sava]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Similarly, "Planned Economy" is not an ideology

it seems like you don't know what ideology means, too.

a systematic body of concepts...

a planned economy is a SYSTEMATIC BODY OF CONCEPTS...

sigh...

this is why I shouldn't be a teacher... I would get mad at the dumb kids who don't learn.

[Ecthy]

a planned economy has no idea of man, therefore is not an ideology.

shi's system is wrong tho.

[Bereta_Eder]

Behind each economic system there lies a fundamental view of man which differs frome achother (actually it's the compelte opposite) and economic systems are based on the way of viewing man.

For example, capitalism (liberalism, conservatism etc) claims that man is greedy and self centered by nature. Thus the economic model chosen is one of personal initiative, "harvesting" the greed etc

Communism in its foundations believes that man is by nature benevolent and helping, caring. The economic system which evolves from that theory of viewing man is one of collectivity, shared resources etc.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
a planned economy has no idea of man, therefore is not an ideology.

shi's system is wrong tho.

look at the other definitions

the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

you can now join the others on the small school bus

[Shi Huangdi]

Evolution has a systematic body of concepts(Natural Selection, Survival of the Fittest). Is that an ideology?