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  • #76
    Originally posted by Kropotkin
    I said that some communists use the term fascists for whom most others use the term nazis.


    Then this is no point at all. Why even bring it up? That's like saying some people say Scandinavian when others say Swede.

    That those groups use different terms for the same thing doesn't mean that they differ in their perception of the ideology of the NSDAP.


    You wrote your sentence in such a way that the only way it could be interpreted as if you meant that fascists and nazis are two different things. It is not my fault you meant something other than you wrote and then continued to defend it. All nazis are fascists, so there is no reason not to use the two terms interchangably.

    There's obviously room for debate over to what degree the nazi regime, the nazi movement and/or the nazi ideology was fascist.


    Superficial debate, maybe. I don't think it's all that worthwhile debating the rhetorical differences between the Nazis and the Fascists.

    The nazis didn't show much interest for the corporative ideas from the italian fascists for example. But that goes for Mussolinis Italy also.


    As I said, form versus essense. One could just as easily say that a red car isn't the same as a blue car, because it's red. Too many scholars get hung up on the trappings of the specific regimes, and don't look at what the actual substance of the systems were.

    Well, doh. I haven't made field research about the political terms used in Jacksonville. Obviously that means that I must be a moron.


    I mean the USA. And I didn't say you were a moron. I said your statement was utter crap, because it relied on two untrue positions.

    Shi,
    You are correct. The Stalinist definition of fascism has more to do with whatever policy the USSR had at the time than any actual study of fascism. I think, however, that the spread of the term fascist as a general insult can be traced more to the counter-culture of the 1960s, who hurled it at police, soldier, and politician alike.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #77
      I wrote a 40 page essay on Fascism, locked away in my archives, too lazy to get it....
      "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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      • #78
        title: "my life"

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        • #79
          No Ec, that was copyrighted.
          "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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          • #80
            Titles can't be copywritten.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #81
              Hmm... I think I'll write a book Harry Potter and the Sorcerors Stone then......
              "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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              • #82
                my point was Thorn wrote a book about fascism called "my life" because he's a fascist, does noone get my humour nowadays?

                plus, the title you refer to is "my struggle"

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                • #83
                  'Larry Twatter and the Sorcerors Balls'
                  eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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                  • #84
                    Mein Kampf, ja klar!
                    "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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                    • #85
                      ja, stimmt

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                      • #86
                        Mein soapen in myner bathtuben ist nicht gut, ich bin clean nicht?
                        "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"​​

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                        • #87
                          Facism doesn't nessecarily have to be associated with attrocities of violence, Just like Communism doesn't have to be associated with authoritarian rule.

                          Facism in is conceptuel form can exist without atrocities. It just happens that the people in charge modified fascism to suit their goals in all the real world examples (one of the systems main flaws), not unlike what some Soviet and Chinese leaders did.
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Patroklos
                            Facism doesn't nessecarily have to be associated with attrocities of violence,
                            Given that fascism glorifies violence and is based partly on the writings of Sorel (an advocate of violence), I would beg to differ. Violence is an intimate and integral part of fascist ideology.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #89
                              "Violence is an intimate and integral part of fascist ideology."

                              I agree. You will find a form of fascist organisation within British council estates.
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                              • #90
                                Shut up, fascist.
                                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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