Are some people too weak to live?

[Dis]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Everyone who actually agrees some people are "too weak to live" disgust me.

First off, consider that it's human life. Human life--no matter what kind--has a value to it. Just taking out the parts you don't like is inhuman; it's still murder. This thread disturbs me, so I'll go ahead and Godwinize it by reminding you how the Nazis had the whole "lives not worth living" thing.

Secondly, "weakness" is only as weak as society defines it. Today, being a vegetable is weak. 200 years in the future, who knows what could be weak? Be careful with what you're doing.

Thirdly, "weak"--disabled mentally or physically--people teach us things. They teach us that it's alright not to be perfect, or even that it's alright to be much less than normal. Amongst themselves there are exceptional exceptions that show us how incredible perserverance or hard work can make up for nature giving them a ****ty go, and they can still be prosperous citizens.

And, think about this for a minute. If you remove the "weak" people, there's still going to be a class that's weaker than the others. It will only be natural for society to adjust so that the line for "weak" moves up that much higher, and then you've got a whole 'nother class of citizens that are probably quite normal by today's standards but after the first cleansing just the bottom layer of the world.

Finally, would you like it if everyone was perfect? What would be the point?

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Not sure how much I leaned off the main topic. But the "I don't think some people are too weak to live, but I do think that some people are too weak to live" people started me off.

did you read the thread? no where does it discuss removing people from society. What kind of cold hearted people do you think we are.

Half the thread posts deal with the word irregardless.

[mrmitchell]

well, dissident, uber saying "we save far too many people," was enough. Not saving them when you can is really not too much different than just removing them.

[Sava]

I'm not saying we shouldn't save people...
EDIT: hmm that didn't come out right... we should discourage passing on genetic deformaties and defects...

btw mrmitchell, my dad is disabled, so you can suck deez nutz

[Dis]

but everyone has a right to reproduce don't they?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Dissident
but everyone has a right to reproduce don't they?

I don't believe that right usurps humanity's collective right to protect itself from genetic deformaties... I'd like to see technologies progress to the point where if people at high risk of passing on birth defects wish to have children, they can go to a clinic and have some sort of artificial conception and insemination.

[mrmitchell]

. we should discourage passing on genetic deformaties and defects...

btw mrmitchell, my dad is disabled, so you can suck deez nutz

See? You just proved it yourself. Just because your dad was disabled doesn't mean you are.

I don't believe that right usurps humanity's collective right to protect itself from genetic deformaties..

Oh, yeah, sure. Crush the individual. Everyone who doesn't work toward the greater community is selfish.

[:) Smiley]

A tech fix to genetic defects will solve most of the problem, who after all is gonna want their kids to have defects?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Sava
I don't believe that right usurps humanity's collective right to protect itself from genetic deformaties... I'd like to see technologies progress to the point where if people at high risk of passing on birth defects wish to have children, they can go to a clinic and have some sort of artificial conception and insemination.

Oh, so now it's OK for them to reproduce, so long as they don't get to enjoy the fun part? Geeez, you're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.

[Sava]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
See? You just proved it yourself. Just because your dad was disabled doesn't mean you are.

he became disabled from a stroke, not by birth... and plus, many here would argue I AM disabled

Oh, yeah, sure. Crush the individual. Everyone who doesn't work toward the greater community is selfish.

again you keep mischaracterizing me... I think we need to find a balance between personal liberty and what is in society's interest. You are making me out to be some Nazi or something... your don't know **** about my life and the struggles my family has been through because of my dad's disability. So when you make stupid assertions and elude to the notion that I'm against helping people, it pisses me off.

Doc: they can still have sex

[:) Smiley]

All this sex and genetics made me just realize something. If conservatives were so opposed to homosexuality, then they should just legalize it completely. Given that homosexuality is determined genetically, and since gay couples can't have children genetically, then within a century there would be no more homosexuals.

[mrmitchell]

Smiley:

Then again you also have genes that skip a generation (I forget the term) and also just out-of-the-blue mutations. So you couldn't completely eliminate it that way.

(But what do I know? I'm no doctor or geneticist.)

[Dis]

ahh but it is not genetically passed down.

homosexuality is an anomaly in the brain. It is something that happens to a certain percentage of the population irregardless of the family's history of homosexuality.

[Sava]

no Diss, the gay hating conservatives believe homosexuality is a CHOICE!

[mrmitchell]

D'oh! Or, Smiley, you have that it's not passed down by genetics (thanks Diss).

[GePap]

Wake up people!
Human beings are a species of animals, and the point of all species is to be fruitful and multiply. We might be sentient but we aren't going to break free of our one reason for being in this world, which is to make more humans.