Kay's Senate Hearings on Weapons Inspections

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by rah
This is freaking hilarious. Gepap still can not admit that it's just his opinion. He is still claiming it's fact. And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

[Devil's Advocate] Well, Bush did say, "We found the weapons of mass destruction," when he was visiting Poland earlier this year. Now, I'm no English major, but I think that would fit the definition of a lie... [/Devil's Advocate]

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Agathon
And those people who say that Bush was misled by his intelligence agents.

If your intelligence agents told you that the Queen was an alien, would you believe them?

It certainly would explain a lot.

[GePap]

Originally posted by rah
This is freaking hilarious. Gepap still can not admit that it's just his opinion. He is still claiming it's fact. And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

What part of lie do you not get?

I can logically prove members of the amdin. stated as FACT things they knew they could not state as fact given thier information (exactly what you keep saying I am doing). The difference is mr. ferret that , them having done so gives me that ability to show that members of the admin. lied (as in, said things that could not be true).

And you have yet to even attemt to mount a counter-arguement to that. Do I think he lied? yes. can I provide a logical arguemnt as proof he lied? yes. Do I need to have material proof as well? Is that the only valid proof there is? This is what you seem to claim, and what you have yet to substantiate.

to rah.

[rah]

Ever worked in a corporation that hired consultants?
After paying big bucks for them, I have seen upper management believe a lot of crazy crap, just because they paid for it. It just makes them boobs, not liars.

[Sava]

and, when the democrats find someone that isn't just another scummy politician, I'll consider voting with my conscience. But until then, I'm voting with my pocketbook. With the exception of Carter, they've all been found lacking. Unfortunately, I didn't believe it of Carter till he was already out of office. I always thought it was a facade up to that point.

I agree that the Dems aren't saints... but they are usually the lesser of the two evils... and with Bush, that isn't hard. Bush personifies everything wrong with America in this age. He's the representative of crony capitalism and corruption. And in addition, rah, his policies are going to end up hurting the country (for everyone, including the rich) by bankrupting the federal government.

[Sava]

uh oh rah, Gepap said to you!

YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL!!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by rah
Ever worked in a corporation that hired consultants?
After paying big bucks for them, I have seen upper management believe a lot of crazy crap, just because they paid for it. It just makes them boobs, not liars.

Ah hell, you had to throw this is and make me think that's plausible. I was all set to convict, and you have to go and throw in a reasonable doubt.

[rah]

Originally posted by GePap
And you have yet to even attemt to mount a counter-arguement to that. Do I think he lied? yes. can I provide a logical arguemnt as proof he lied? yes. Do I need to have material proof as well? Is that the only valid proof there is? This is what you seem to claim, and what you have yet to substantiate.
to rah.

You keep proving my point. A logical arguement as proof is not proof. It's a logical arguement. Until there is material proof, it's only an opinion. QED MATERIAL PROOF IS THE ONLY PROOF. Anything less is just a logical arguement. OPINION. NOT PROVEN FACT.

The burden of proof is on you. Not me. Mine is just an opinion, I'm not stating it as fact. YOU ARE>

[GePap]

Originally posted by rah
Ever worked in a corporation that hired consultants?
After paying big bucks for them, I have seen upper management believe a lot of crazy crap, just because they paid for it. It just makes them boobs, not liars.

I would first point upwards to Guynemer's post above ^ and Bush's statement.

Second, again, this is a simple logical exercise: could people in the administration statet as fact that they knew Iraq still had WMD's given the type of intelliegence, the quality, and the internal debate within the intelliegence community? Yes, but to do so would be dishonest- it would be a distortion of what they had as fact-in short, as lie. And the president is responsible for what his admin. is saying out there.

[Guynemer]

Okay rah, so which is it?

Is Bush a boob, or a liar?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
Bush personifies everything wrong with America in this age. He's the representative of crony capitalism and corruption

Dude, Bush is the personification of everything that was wrong with the Asian economy seven years ago.

[Sava]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Dude, Bush is the personification of everything that was wrong with the Asian economy seven years ago.

Dude!

but bushy ain't azn! OMFG!

[rah]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Okay rah, so which is it?

Is Bush a boob, or a liar?

Tough question. My OPINION is that he's probably both. But I still agree with some of the things he's trying to accomplish. I'm sure that there is no candidate that I will agree with 100%.


And at least GEPAP is starting to backpedal and say it was the administration that lied, and that Bush is responsible. I must be having some effect.

[Agathon]

Look they could have been honest:

They could have said: it is likely that Iraq has some chemical artillery shells that would only be of use against massed infantry without chem gear. They may also have some biological agents which aren't a great threat either. He does want nuclear weapons, but he doesn't have the fissile material or the industrial capacity to make them.

Now, should we keep aggressive watch on him until he dies a few years down the track, which is what we've been doing? Or should we invade Iraq which will cause thousands of casualties, probably will cause political instability, and may well cause regional instability?

When you put it like that it's quite simple.

[chequita guevara]

INVADE!