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    Hey,

    Watched some of the hearings on CSPAN today at lunch, at least enough to see Kay smack Senators Kennedy and Clinton around like tricks on a street corner, and it proved very intresting.

    Granted, I onlw say about 30 minutes of it, and I haven't read any other literature on Kay, but I was pretty sure that the media was hyping him up to be the vindicator of the Democratic Bush-lied-about-weapons-of-mass-destruction mantra.

    What I saw didn't seem to be heading that way at all. Now I am not saying that Bush was right, but everyone seems to be claiming that Bush lied or at the very least manipulated the data given to him for his own ends. This is exactly what Kennedy and Clinton tried to make him say, but he literally laughed them all off and sent them on their merry way.

    He said that the intelligence community was pretty much split down the middle on the issue, and that Bush would have had equal justificatied to have accepted either position (granted I know Bush said irrefutable proof but how many world leaders take the wishiwashy road after making a decision like this). He also, while bieng one of the most open and in the know critics of the intelligence failure on this one, asserted that given the evidence collected in the past decade and the intentional ambiguousness of Saddams answer to both UN and US inquiries, the intelligence community was correct to follow the line they did. He seems to be more critical of the intelligence gathering portion of the buisness rather than the analysis.

    Lastly, he made it emphatically clear that while Iraq did not have any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, he also stated emphatically that he had plenty of warheads and rockets stockpiled that had no use but to deliver those weapons.

    Like I said I didn't see it all, it will be repeated tonight and hopefully I can catch the rest.

    Question though? As Kay also told a red faced and stuttering Kennedy, the pocession of those warheads is a technical, literal, and illegal breach of every UN resolution passed on Iraq concerning weapons of mass destruction. Legally, they should have been declared to the UN and then destroyed and not having done so is a clear breach of UN policy.

    So as a side note, what do you all think is more important? The gun or the bullets? Iraq had the gun, but no ammunition for them, which is still a breach of law but do you think this should be the case?
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  • #2
    I know there is a thread out about his ealier intervies, but this is a live Senate hearing where his words are not filtere through media that may be biased either way.
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    • #3
      So why did the admin. at NO point ever go to congress and the American people and say:

      "the intelliegence agencies are split on the issue, so I have decided to...", instead of saying, as he did: "we KNOW"

      That is the issue at hand, that is what the admin. can not answer-that is what will come and bite them in the ass.
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      • #4
        GePap, on what basis does/did Kennedy say that Bush lied?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ned
          GePap, on what basis does/did Kennedy say that Bush lied?
          Read Oedo's post in the other thread, when members of the admin. stated they KNEW (as in FACT) that Iraq at that very moment had WMD's.

          Those sir are lies.
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          • #6
            GePap, Bush?
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            • #7
              Bush, like Clinton, etc., is responsible for the public remarks of his senior staff. Or do you think everybody freelances with no control or direction from the (nominal) President?
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              • #8
                I just thought it was interesting to watch and hear Kay himself and see what he actually trys to convey as to opposed to the "cut" we get when we hear the media version.

                it is nowhere near the same.


                GePap,

                Like I said above when people like a president make a decision they don't pussyfoot about it nore should they. "ummm, excuse me, is this thing on, ummmm, yeah, we perhaps might, maybe, ummm, have a problem ummm, in Iraq." All authority figures, Rep or Dem, American or otherwise behave this way. They throw their weight behind their decision. It is like this in all positions of authority. Have you even been in one?
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                • #9
                  And if they believed that one half of the Intelligence service, or simply decided one was right over the other since both had equally convincing arguements, then it isn't lying, it is bieng wrong.

                  Are you trying to say you have never KNOWN something only to be proven wrong?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Patroklos
                    GePap,

                    Like I said above when people like a president make a decision they don't pussyfoot about it nore should they. "ummm, excuse me, is this thing on, ummmm, yeah, we perhaps might, maybe, ummm, have a problem ummm, in Iraq." All authority figures, Rep or Dem, American or otherwise behave this way. They throw their weight behind their decision. It is like this in all positions of authority. Have you even been in one?
                    God that is lame.

                    When someone makes a decision, they are honest with thier causes, make an honest case to the people and the congress, and then await the consequences. they do not lie and distort and use fearmongering to get what they want.

                    That is true weakness, not the false macho you seem so much a fan of.
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                    • #11
                      What rockets and warheads did they find? Was there some major stash they discovered and neglected to tell the media or is he talking about the 35 rockets they found in a old warehouse that were totally covered in bird droppings and looked like they had been forgotten about?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Patroklos
                        And if they believed that one half of the Intelligence service, or simply decided one was right over the other since both had equally convincing arguements, then it isn't lying, it is bieng wrong.

                        Are you trying to say you have never KNOWN something only to be proven wrong?


                        And no, that has never happened to GePap because he would never believe the proof.

                        And no matter what he says, he is not the president and can never truely know what the president was thinking which is the only real way of PROVING if the president was wrong or was lying. I don't know, but it's conforting to see people like GePap, who thinks he has the ability to read people's minds.
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                        • #13
                          The intelligence that the Prez got was vetted by a group that was only looking for proof of Iraq's guilt, and using information that had not been vetted or analyzed. If the Prez spoke in good faith, it's because others deliberately misled him.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rah




                            And no, that has never happened to GePap because he would never believe the proof.

                            And no matter what he says, he is not the president and can never truely know what the president was thinking which is the only real way of PROVING if the president was wrong or was lying. I don't know, but it's conforting to see people like GePap, who thinks he has the ability to read people's minds.
                            when ferrets troll!

                            How could Bush read other minds when he is so innept at using his own?

                            While one instinct tells me to show why all that rah just said above is meaningless and mindless, and the other part says-why waste your time? The "why waste time" part wins!
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                            • #15
                              When someone makes a decision, they are honest with thier causes, make an honest case to the people and the congress, and then await the consequences.
                              *wipes tears of laughter from his eyes*

                              WHAT in the last 3000 years makes you think this has ever or will ever be the case for people is such positions. That sure was a good one

                              Hope you are not a lawyer, military member, salesmen, or basically anyone who has to comvince someone to do anything. That basically leaves you a career as a steveador.
                              Last edited by Patroklos; January 28, 2004, 16:37.
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