That we live in a somewhat acausal, non-deterministic universe is proved by the fact it is here at all?
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Originally posted by skywalker
There isn't anything BUT probabilistic and deterministic. Either the universe obeys rules, or it doesn't. It can't both not obey rules AND not not obey rules.
Physics has already shown (to very good certainty) that the universe is not deterministic and that the rules governing the universe appear probabilistic. But since we haven't looked at everything, there is no need to assume that everything obeys physical rules.
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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Just because quantum mechanics is probabalistic does not mean that it is acausal.
Furthermore the reactions that govern the function of the brain occur at the molecular level and therefore quantum mechanics doesn't apply.
We don't have a quantum theory of gravity yet (that works) but once we do, it should be able to [in principle] predict the motions of stars and planets etc, even though these are in the Newtonian regime.
So if the fundamental laws are deterministic then everything is deterministic.
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Dr Strangelove
Just because quantum mechanics is probabalistic does not mean that it is acausal.
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Originally posted by Park Avenue
The universe can't be completely causal, as that would surely mean it wouldn't be here. If you track back, something has to have happened without a cause.Statistical anomaly.
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this is starting to sound like the matrix reloaded"I bet Ikarus eats his own spunk..."
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Originally posted by Kramerman
this is starting to sound like the matrix reloaded
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Originally posted by Rogan Josh
That isn't what he was meaning. By 'probabalistic' PA was maening that events happen with determined probabilities (like quantum mechanics), whereas 'deterministic' is a fixed outcome for a fixed set of initial conditions. Both of these are simply obeying physical rules, and bot of these systems preclude free-will.
Physics has already shown (to very good certainty) that the universe is not deterministic and that the rules governing the universe appear probabilistic. But since we haven't looked at everything, there is no need to assume that everything obeys physical rules.
Actually, come to think of it, the universe is probabilistic no matter what - "deterministic" is just a subset where all of the probabilities are either 0 or 1.
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