I really don't understand about Kerry...

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by NeOmega
I sent Howard Dean $100 today. I couldn't have been the only one.

I'd be darned if I would admit that in public man.

[chequita guevara]

And he's a libertartian, too.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


It's my share, as a citizen, of the Fed's new debt, smart-ass.

Your personal accounting methods remind me of Enron's corporate accounting methods. I'd suggest you boil yourself in a pot of water to kill this capitalist infection Che.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
Your personal accounting methods remind me of Enron's corporate accounting methods. I'd suggest you boil yourself in a pot of water to kill this capitalist infection Che.

Okay, it's just $1750 this year (which is still a bad trade).

[Capt Dizle]

Gephardt's stacked all his chips on Iowa and bet them on a union straight. This was the correct play looking backward at his 1988 win there. But things changed. Dean tapped into internet wackos like NeOmega and anti-war sentiment and other factors drove the turnout skyward. Sensing trouble Gephardt ran attack ads versus Dean; Dean countered. This turned off the voters who then went to Kerry because they knew him and to Edwards because of his postive message. And that is what happened in Iowa.

Reading here the thoughts of those who feel that the Democratic party is a right centrist party...yall have defined who you are. And I respect your opinions. It's just that there will never be enough of you in this country to poll in double digits.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Okay, it's just $1750 this year (which is still a bad trade).

You may have a stroke to hear it, but I think Bush is awful on the economy. We have some commonality.

(that left a bad taste in my mouth, ugh)

[GePap]

On Dean as a fiscal liberal: when he took over Vermont, the state was in debt and had the lowest bond rating in New England. BY the time he left office, the state had the highest bond rating in New England and due to his rainy day fund the cuts and tax increases in Vermont to make up for the economic porblems were the least draconian in NE also. And every kid in vermont has health insurance and 98% of new mothers voluntarilly sdign up for state employees to go and give them advice on infant care.

He supported welfare reform and opposed the assault weapons ban. Man, what a ranging leftie that guy was!

ON Bush and taxes- lets say you are a lower middle class family with a child that goes to state schools- you don;t see any gains from capital gains tax cuts, maybe you got , like Che, $800 back. But since Bush took office state tuitions went up 20-30%, your out of pocket health care bills went up and up- and that by itself probalby wipped out any gains from the tax cut. Add to this that local taxes probably went up, and you are behind (and state taxes went up cause washington demands states fund out of thier pockets federally mandate programs- and then the feds go eve further and don't give the states in need[all of them] a dime) now, but you did not stop spending becuase you took out a new mortage due to low interest rates, which is still a loan, then bought things on credit.

So, while their out of pocket expenses have gone up, and their debt has also gone up, everyone is happy and the economy is on the up and up!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by jimmytrick


You may have a stroke to hear it, but I think Bush is awful on the economy. We have some commonality.

(that left a bad taste in my mouth, ugh)

*thud*

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by jimmytrick


You may have a stroke to hear it, but I think Bush is awful on the economy. We have some commonality.

(that left a bad taste in my mouth, ugh)

Can't say I agree with him either in totality, but was interested in which portions you find objectionable?

[Ramo]

Dean is still leading in New Hampshire, but we'll see how long that holds.

Zogby gave Kerry a 3 point lead today.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ramo
Zogby gave Kerry a 3 point lead today.

I see Dean 5 to 10 points behind Kerry in NH on Salon now. Damn that's quick.

[GePap]

Kerry is far easier to paint as a tax and spend liberal than Dean, which is the Republican's favorite scam-though, better tax and spend than borrow and spend, which is the Bush admin.

[chequita guevara]

What I don't get is the number of center-right folks who prefer Kerry (the most liberal of the serious contenders) to Dean. MtG, Imran, Japher, and others, have stated they'd vote for Kerry, but will vote for Bush should Dean take the nomination.

[Edan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Dean is labeled as angry and unelectable.

Perhaps he was "labeled" that way, but he certainly played himself into the part. He was all about being anti-Bush, and you can rarely win an election by making your campaign about being anti-incumbant (just look at how trying to get Clinton failed).

Dean is still leading in New Hampshire, but we'll see how long that holds.

Actually, tracking polls have him third and continuing to lose ground while Kerry makes large gains. Clark is regained his lost ground and inching his way up slowly.

[Arrian]

The fickle mood of the electorate. Herd of sheep. Dean's meteoric rise was just as fast.

I was listening to some political commentary on the radio today on my way to work. Flipping between NPR and a Mass. rock station (whose morning guys were talking to a Kerry supporter... obviously involved somehow, but I didn't catch the beginning). It's PAINFULLY obvious that most people can't be arsed to actually look at the stuff that matters: a candidates stand on issues and (this is key) their track record on same. No, most people blather on about how candidate A looks goofy and candidate B sounds funny.

And Che's right about the media - they play along with the lowest common denominator portraits of the candidates. The main networks, anyway. You can probably get some decent info on C-SPAN.

-Arrian