If the US civil war was fought today...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
The bottom line, the South's failure to pursue the matter in the courts, which was an option that clearly was available to it, was sheer, unadulterated arrogance.

I don't think the capital issue at hand could be ruled by the court, or that the court's opinion would have any legitimacy. The dispute was about Federation vs Confederacy, i.e priority to federal rights or to state rights. More than that, it was about an important chunk of the territory not wanting to have its policies decided at Washington.

It's very rare such situations get a peaceful solution, where everybody agrees on the rules to resolve the dispute.

[Ned]

Now why does Mississippi rejecting the Amendment not surprise me?

[Ned]

Spiffor, the issue was squarely in the purview of the Supreme Court - the Supremes had original jurisdiction.

"Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution...;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states....

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

[Ned]

You know, MrFun, just reading through these "Civil War" threads tells me that the Civil War is not over.

[MikeH]

If the US just ditched the South it'd probably be a much more sensible place.

After all whether you hate Clinton or Bush, they were both southern.

[SlowwHand]

Ditching you personally would make even more sense.
And take that bigot MrFun with you.

[Ned]

Slowwhand, the problem is obvious. Many in the South seem wedded to a version of history that is inaccurate. I have no doubt that the Civil War and Reconstruction left many scars on the South, and wounds that have yet to heal.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
Slowwhand, the problem is obvious. Many in the South seem wedded to a version of history that is inaccurate. I have no doubt that the Civil War and Reconstruction left many scars on the South, and wounds that have yet to heal.

This is the problem with most wars. And this is one of the reasons why I oppose American wars in general: most Americans seem to believe "oh this will only last for a short time and be done with it". I strongly think the long-term dispositions of the Arab world toward the US are deeply wonded, just like there is a wound of the Civil War in the US.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Ned
these "Civil War" threads tells me that the Civil War is not over.

Indeed. The issue of State's rights remains. (Although the issue of slavery has long since been resolved)

Many in the South seem wedded to a version of history that is inaccurate.

I believe that the north has been more prone to a revisionist viewpoint than the South.

[chequita guevara]

Did anyone see the PBS special on Reonstruction last week? Who here new that the Reconstruction governments in Mississippi and Louisianna were overthrown by force? Grant sent troops to Louisanna, but the Northern states got all crazy about using troops to meddle in internal state politics, that Grant just let the violent overthrown of Mississippi stand. Despite it being a constitutional duty of the Federal government to protect states from such things.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Spiffor

This is the problem with most wars. And this is one of the reasons why I oppose American wars in general: most Americans seem to believe "oh this will only last for a short time and be done with it". I strongly think the long-term dispositions of the Arab world toward the US are deeply wonded, just like there is a wound of the Civil War in the US.

Spiffor, The long term disposition of Arabs to the US was bad before the war. If we can pull off a restoration of real human rights and an implementation of a working Democracy then that disposition may begin to change. In addition, a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would go a long way. Both big "ifs" admittedly.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
I believe that the north has been more prone to a revisionist viewpoint than the South.

That's because you were educated with the Southern (revisionist) point of view.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That's because you were educated with the Southern (revisionist) point of view.

Yes, by the sons and daughters of those who witnessed the actual events. Where did you get you education on the matter?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by PLATO
Yes, by the sons and daughters of those who witnessed the actual events. Where did you get you education on the matter?

From the mouths of the people who actually engaged in those events. So, I use primary sources, you play the telephone game. Which one is more likely to be accurate?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Ditching you personally would make even more sense.
And take that bigot MrFun with you.

funny . . . . . .