Israeli vandalises Swedish suicide bomber art

[Generalissimo]

Originally posted by Cruddy


Nah. What pisses them off is we don't back Israel.

We don't back the Arabs either - if we did, Israel would really have a war on their hands. I don't think this is the way forward though.

Quite frankly me (and most of the Israeli government) don’t really care whether you back us up or not we got used to the fact that you turn a blind eye on what happening in this s**t hole.
As long as you buy our products your diplomatic support is second-class compared to the US.
Why waste time in the EU when you have the US by your side.
Besides, unlike India we cant sell you arms to make you more tolerant towards our cause.

As far as the whole mess in Stockholm, that was a provocation. Sponsored (as far as I know) by the Swedish government and they should have known that this art might be offensive. Its just basic manners

Third, Israeli diplomats and Jews in general are systematically raping the term “Anti –Semite”. Not everyone that disagrees with you is a nazi lover.

Note:My English Sucks.

[Ecthy]

ambassador out of Sweden, Ned out of Apolyton

[Firelad]

What I wonder is, can nobody see that the only way to portray such an utterly tragic and grotesque situation as we have in Israel is by the artistic technique of irony and grotesque? A sticky sweet cliche tearfest cannot touch you and convey such emotions in a way even approaching an image of, say, Snow White standing in the middle of a pool of blood. We are all people, PEOPLE, you know, just ordinary people caught in something that turns us into bloody monsters, no matter how innocent or whatever we are. Our innocence is drowned in blood - an incomprehensible and terrible cycle of death. It's not about her reasons or whatever. It is about what even Snow White, living here, is turned into. And that says it all about everybody else, too. But most importantly, this is art trying to convey the incomprehensible, the paradoxical in the only way possible - by the deepest emotion, but cruelly twisting and tearing at the strings of our hearts - without mercy because there IS no mercy in the universe it is trying to portray.
This brings to mind a poem I've never read in full although I plan to - the Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Coleridge... In the same way, the star shines through the moon to portray the unnatural world into which the mariner enters when he forsakes love and mercy and all the rest; Only here it is not just anyone - it is Snow White, innocence embodied, that forsakes those things and her humanity. That is why this is so powerful.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Snotty
Im not sure I follow you. Are you saying this is more evidence that the incident was pre-planned, or masterminded by the Israeli government?

Well, the article suggested that the government in Israel was planning for its diplomats to "lose control" to demonstrate their displeasure with European anti-Semitism. In other words, this may have been staged as a part of a larger plan. But the concern expressed by the diplomatic community in Israel presumes that this incident was preplanned and staged with the authorization of the government of Israel. There is no direct reference here to any admission by the government of Israel that its ambassador deliberately staged this event.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
ambassador out of Sweden, Ned out of Apolyton

You forgot to finish your thought, heir to the Third Reich...

[Ned]

The difference between this "piece of art" and Picasso's Guernica is that latter portrayed and sympathized with the tragedy and suffering of the victims of violence.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Osweld


... sailing in a pool of blood, is great piece of art.

How about walking across it?



Shall we critique the form and light? Or perhaps we should discuss the useage of color?

[cinch]

Edan:

If you can't see the difference between a pro-Hamas propaganda piece and the artwork in question... I don't know why anyone's even trying to explain this to you, because you're not going to get it.

[Bereta_Eder]

There plenty of pics of "terminated" 4 year old palestinian "terrorists" too. But I doubt Edan would be swayed? They hardly fill a pool of blood eitherway seeing as they're too small. The palestinian fatalities are double that of Israelis. Let us not forget about this very simple truth when talking so liberally about "blood".

[Winston]

The Palestinians are also the agressors, and most of their fatalities in the conflict were hardly innocents. So pretending that any kind of useful information can come from comparing mere numbers of casualties is a charade.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Winston
The Palestinians are also the agressors, and most of their fatalities in the conflict were hardly innocents. So pretending that any kind of useful information can come from comparing mere numbers of casualties is a charade.

How Orwellian...

...the people who had their country stolen from under them and given to some other bunch of people at the whim of foreign governments are the bad guys.

...the people who won't be given the vote in samesaid country because doing so would mean that Jews would no longer have absolute control are the bad guys.

...the people who were deliberately provoked into this latest round of violence are the bad guys.

As long as Israel continues to either deprive Palestinians of votes or their own state, it is to be condemned by all right minded people as a racist state - just like South Africa was.

[Winston]

One party to the conflict has the declared ambition of wiping the other party off the face of the planet. The other party is taking strict measures to see that the first party does not succeed.

I'll leave it to your own good judgement to sort out who's who.

And it's telling that you didn't comment on my claim that most of the Palestinians killed in the conflict weren't innocents (unlike the overwhelming majority of Israeli casualties). Maybe that's not so terribly important to you.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Winston
One party to the conflict has the declared ambition of wiping the other party off the face of the planet. The other party is taking strict measures to see that the first party does not succeed.

They have not. Some of them want Israel destroyed as a state which is what will have to happen if they are to get their country back.

Israel is an illegitimate, racist state.

Imagine if the US suddenly decided to give half your country to the Kurds and you had no say in it. I take it you'd be pretty pissed off.

Then imagine you tried to push them out and got beat. Then the kurds occupied your part for the next thirty years and refused to extend to you the power to vote and basic civil rights because they wanted the country to remain "Kurdish". Then they started building kurdish towns at gunpoint in the occupied territory with the intention of making the whole country kurdish for ever.

Sound familiar?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Agathon
Israel is an illegitimate, racist state.

Take it up with the UN. They created it.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Winston

And it's telling that you didn't comment on my claim that most of the Palestinians killed in the conflict weren't innocents (unlike the overwhelming majority of Israeli casualties). Maybe that's not so terribly important to you.

You mean by innocents people living on stolen property? The overwhelming proportion of Palestinian casualties are either innocent or guilty of such crimes as throwing stones at armoured cars. And there are a lot more of them dying.

Do I think they should blow themselves up in cafes? No. But what else are they supposed to do? The US makes sure that Israel can act without fear of sanction and no one does anything to help them.

Give it up. You are defending the moral equivalent of South Africa.