Israeli vandalises Swedish suicide bomber art

[Winston]

Stop insulting your opponents or leave the thread Agathon. Go break some china if you must abreact.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Agathon


Far more Palestinian innocents were kiled since they are winning in the casualty rates by about three to one last time I looked.

Obviously, the US was the agressor of WW2, with a death toll of ~300,000, compared with Germany, obviously a victim of WW2 with a death toll of ~6 million.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Edan


Obviously, the US was the agressor of WW2, with a death toll of ~300,000, compared with Germany, obviously a victim of WW2 with a death toll of ~6 million.

If only the US and germany were the only two sides.

Though if you do that, then you also mess Winston's system. And I edited my post above.

[notyoueither]

At first I couldn't figure out what the fuss could be about. A figure adrift on a lake of blood. Doesn't sound very glorious to me.

Then I read the link provided by Combat Ingrid.

For the June 12 deaths of her brother, and her cousin...

The murderer will yet pay the price and we will not be the only ones who are crying....

And many people are indeed crying: the Zer Aviv family, the Almog family, and all the relatives and friends of the dead and the wounded...

Then I thought, hmmm. Yeah, if I were from Israel, I might be a little upset about what the exhibit itself says, not just the mealy mouthed bleatings of the no-talent nitwit who put it together.

Trying to destroy the exhibit, or to damage it is not a great thing to do, but whoever the idiots were who approved it going up should be queried a little bit while deportation for the ambassador is being arranged.

[Edan]

Originally posted by GePap


If only the US and germany were the only two sides.

Though if you do that, then you also mess Winston's system. And I edited my post above.

I was only trying to point out that higher death tolls (or higher civilian death tolls) don't mean squat.

Would you prefer I use the Gulf War as an example? Do you think we were the bad guys in that war?

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Agathon


Far more Palestinian innocents were kiled since they are winning in the casualty rates by about three to one last time I looked. Take your sophistical comparisons somewhere else.

And who determined this? The Israelis? That fat pig Sharon?

The pair of you have not offered one single point of substance in this entire thread. In fact you have done nothing but demonstrate your ignorance of history, politics and aesthetics. An impressive threefold display of folly that would impress anyone.

1. Sophistical?
2. This site was linked to by the Zionist extremist known as GePap. He's a puppet of the Jewish conspiracy that rules the Western World.
3. Personal attacks....

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither
At first I couldn't figure out what the fuss could be about. A figure adrift on a lake of blood. Doesn't sound very glorious to me.

Then I read the link provided by Combat Ingrid.

For the June 12 deaths of her brother, and her cousin...

The murderer will yet pay the price and we will not be the only ones who are crying....

And many people are indeed crying: the Zer Aviv family, the Almog family, and all the relatives and friends of the dead and the wounded...

Then I thought, hmmm. Yeah, if I were from Israel, I might be a little upset about what the exhibit itself says, not just the mealy mouthed bleatings of the no-talent nitwit who put it together.

Trying to destroy the exhibit, or to damage it is not a great thing to do, but whoever the idiots were who approved it going up should be queried a little bit while deportation for the ambassador is being arranged.

[Ned]

Agathon, you might want to do some soul searching about why you are so anti-Israel. Have you no sense of history? Don't you have a clue as to why the Jews need a homeland, a refuge on this planet where no nation has for long allowed them to live in peace.

They were permitted to settle in their former homeland by the Turkish Empire and then by the British Mandate. The people who were there in 1948, were there legally.

They were permitted to form their own state by the UN because the Arabs had grown increasingly beligerent during the Mandate, and the Brits no longer wanted to protect them. It is that simple.

[dannubis]

what would you say if the spanish reclaimed florida based on historical territorial rights ?

it think it would sound like ****thehelloff

The spanish occupied your country only 400 years ago.

Now comes along a committee of jews looking to reclaim their homelands from which they were driven almost 2000 years ago. So far i have no problem with this. Everybody has a right to have a piece of land to call their home. But their home, not their own, because it wasn't theirs to begin with.

The obvious answer of the arab who was living in these lands : ****thehelloff

So 50 years ago, these people lost their lands and got their butt kicked trying to reclaim it. This is still in terms of grandfathers mind you...

Now for over thirty years the palestinians stood by the road waving with palm branches trying to get international attention for their problem, but they were left to rot. No attempt at reaching peace with them was ever undertaken. They were put in refugee camps.

So they start to fight back... in a horrifying way, targetting civilians. Indeed so much very wrong, but i wonder what the difference is between loosing your child to a suicide bomber or loosing your child to a helicopter missile...

So instead of being anti-israel here (like some people like to call everyone who doesn't blindly supports the actions of the governement of israel, right ned ?), some of us like to see the broader picture. But that makes us all anti-semites right.

Now, am i going to get banned too for going against the predominantly right thoughts here ?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ned
Agathon, you might want to do some soul searching about why you are so anti-Israel.

Anti-Israel is not the same as Anti-Jews...

Originally posted by Ned
Have you no sense of history? Don't you have a clue as to why the Jews need a homeland, a refuge on this planet where no nation has for long allowed them to live in peace.

Think about those poor Babaylonians!

Originally posted by Ned
They were permitted to form their own state by the UN because the Arabs had grown increasingly beligerent during the Mandate, and the Brits no longer wanted to protect them. It is that simple.

The Zionists used terrorism to establish their own country, plain and simple.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Edan


I was only trying to point out that higher death tolls (or higher civilian death tolls) don't mean squat.

Would you prefer I use the Gulf War as an example? Do you think we were the bad guys in that war?

Gah! Read what I say, not what you think i said. If you do so, you sometimes even make a valid point yourself.

I agree with you that the fact that more dead does not point to whom is the aggressor- but Winston's idea that percentages matter is also false, as your little "USA vs. Nazi Germany" points out as well, no?

[SpencerH]

Art provokes reactions.

Art with a political theme is supposed to provoke a political reaction. This piece seems to have worked quite well.

[GePap]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Art provokes reactions.

Art with a political theme is supposed to provoke a political reaction. This piece seems to have worked quite well.

The issue is: wrong type of reaction, especially by a diplomat.

[SpencerH]

In some ways the actions can be interpreted as an addendum to the work. This isnt a national treasure, it's political art. If this hadnt happened, it would have slipped into obscurity.

[Ned]

Originally posted by dannubis

So 50 years ago, these people lost their lands and got their butt kicked trying to reclaim it. This is still in terms of grandfathers mind you...

Another version of the Jews stole the land.

And, yes, Dannubis, the sum total of your post is very close to what you say it is.