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Dopes are suing to ban "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"
And I think the Jewish community will remove the game from the shelves pretty quickly in the US or Canada.
They'd TRY, but probably wouldn't succeed in getting it pulled off.
No we wouldnt. But i think we wouldnt have to, no one at a publisher that cared for its reputation would publish such a game. Shame would stop them. I suppose the Haitians are frustrated that he the same shame doesnt apply in their instance.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Re: Re: Re: Dopes are suing to ban "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"
Originally posted by Sava
what does that have to do with anything? can't they send money back? or join an activist group to help the country? oh no... all they do is ***** and moan about a video game and a benign comment.
Imran is right... you should educate yourself about the context of the quote.
Plus, people don't object to being able to play as Nazi soldiers in games like Day of Defeat and Battlefield 1942... I think that is "worse" than being a criminal and being told to kill gang members in an ethnic gang. What if in GTA:VC you are told to kill the Russian Mob? or the Italian Mafia?
1. send money back - what that got to do with it - you seem to be missing my point, which is that Haitian Americans are group IN THE USA, with problems IN THE US, of which racism, stereotyping, and police brutality are only a few. What does improving things in HAITI have to do with that?
2. Educate myself - erh, no I dont have to educate myself about every game that comes out that i dont feel like buying. If YOU, OTOH want to make the case I should buy it you can feel free to educate me. Im certainly NOT going to PAY to educate myself about this. Makes a good case for certain software practices I wouldnt otherwise avail myself of.
3. Playing as Nazi soldiers - I assume you are playing as German soldiers, who werent all party members, and whose goal in the game is to kill allied soldiers, not to kill Jews, slavs, gypsies, gays, etc.
4. Russian and Italians mafia - I guess it would depend - would such a game actually say "go kill Italians" I think that might well be offensive.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by Osweld
There are a ton of movies and books that say such things which aren't banned. And I'm sure you could find that phrase somwhere, in some game.
I guess it depends on how popular it is, however...
usually in a movie or book one character says it to another character, who does or doesnt carry it out. IIUC in GTA:VC the player is told to do it, and is in position to carry it out (within the game world) - something different - (but do give me specific examples from movies or books - i daresay some are equally objectionable)
And yes, popularity matters - its more of a concern if millions of kids are playing such a game than if a handful of hobbyists somewhere are playing such a game.
BTW, why ARE kids playing GTA:VC? Isnt it rated M or something?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
BTW, why ARE kids playing GTA:VC? Isnt it rated M or something?
ESRB can suck a big one for all anyone cares. the only people that pay attention to thier ratings are overprotective mothers. Ive been playing "Adult" games since they started rating things.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dopes are suing to ban "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"
Originally posted by lord of the mark
3. Playing as Nazi soldiers - I assume you are playing as German soldiers, who werent all party members, and whose goal in the game is to kill allied soldiers, not to kill Jews, slavs, gypsies, gays, etc.
Don't you get a purdy SS badge in wolfenstein: enemy territory?
4. Russian and Italians mafia - I guess it would depend - would such a game actually say "go kill Italians" I think that might well be offensive.
What about "go kill the italians" in reference to the mafia. That's the context in Vice City.
usually in a movie or book one character says it to another character, who does or doesnt carry it out. IIUC in GTA:VC the player is told to do it, and is in position to carry it out (within the game world) - something different
How so?
Er, wait. The player isn't actually in the game, you realise, he is playing a character. Perhaps you're having difficulty telling reality apart from fantasy - I can see why you would find Vice City so disturbing, then.
While something has to be said about the influence of video games on youth (although not to any degree to be worried about) books have spread racist, nationalistic, sectionist, or whatever ideas for centuries and can be blamed for millions of deaths. so I guess we should go through all the ooks with objectionable ideas. That includes WWII fition where we "go kill the Germans," "go kill the Russians" etc. etc.
And anyways, it in no way portrays killing anyone in a positive light. You are in fact a criminal and refered to as such. So it is only offensive if you condoned criminal activity and killing to begin with.
And if the group I am refering to, for whatever reason, happend to be of a uniform ethnicity, is it racism to refer to them as such. Like "Haitian" protestors. Man I am such a bigot.
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.
BTW, why ARE kids playing GTA:VC? Isnt it rated M or something?
ESRB can suck a big one for all anyone cares. the only people that pay attention to thier ratings are overprotective mothers. Ive been playing "Adult" games since they started rating things.
But the industry says that ESRB DOES protect kids from games designed for adults whenever anyone complains about game content. They arent LYING, are they Clearly an honest bunch of people, who need the full resources of the state to protect them from those who would steal their intellectual property NOT.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
And I think the Jewish community will remove the game from the shelves pretty quickly in the US or Canada.
They'd TRY, but probably wouldn't succeed in getting it pulled off.
They'd at least get it altered. Remember back in Moo2? The Gnolam leader named ZOG? Who was short, had a big nose, and whose bonuses all revolved around making money? They got enough complaints that the named was changed to Grogg in patches (w/o any mention in the readme files).
btw, in case you haven't figured it out ZOG=Zionist Occupational Govt
I'm consitently stupid- Japher I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dopes are suing to ban "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"
Originally posted by Osweld
Don't you get a purdy SS badge in wolfenstein: enemy territory?
LOTM - I wouldnt know - Ive never played it - are you surprised?
What about "go kill the italians" in reference to the mafia. That's the context in Vice City.
LOTM:If a game told the player "go kill the Italians" id have problems with it. Yup. Noting of course that Haitians suffer more from police brutality these days than Italians do.
How so?
Er, wait. The player isn't actually in the game, you realise, he is playing a character. Perhaps you're having difficulty telling reality apart from fantasy - I can see why you would find Vice City so disturbing, then.
thanks for the compliment.
A game is an immersive medium. Many players do, at least to some extent identify with their character - thats doesnt mean they cant tell fantasy from reality, its a natural reaction to an immersive medium - if theres no "willing suspension of disbelief" its probably not a good game. And i suspect this is even more true for the kids who make up a good portion of the audience for GTA.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
They'd at least get it altered. Remember back in Moo2? The Gnolam leader named ZOG? Who was short, had a big nose, and whose bonuses all revolved around making money? They got enough complaints that the named was changed to Grogg in patches (w/o any mention in the readme files).
btw, in case you haven't figured it out ZOG=Zionist Occupational Govt
Originally posted by Patroklos
And if the group I am refering to, for whatever reason, happend to be of a uniform ethnicity, is it racism to refer to them as such. Like "Haitian" protestors. Man I am such a bigot.
It is very disturbing to refer to them as a group as such, in the context of killing. Like going from "lets kill the moneylenders" to "lets kill the Jewish moneylenders" to "lets kill the Jews" or from "lets kill the terrorists" to "lets kill the muslim terrorists" to "lets kill the muslims" Formulation 1 is ok (though even it can be nasty in context) formulation 2 is treading on thin ice, and formulation 3 is objectionable.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
BTW, why ARE kids playing GTA:VC? Isnt it rated M or something?
Probably because it may be the best game ever made?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
this thread makes me want to go play GTA:VC, I'll tell you guys what is truely said when I get to the "kill the haitians" part, and rest assured, I will kill them.
I will also kill the bikers, cause I like thier bikes, and the cubans cause I like thier cars, and the rich hispanic guys cause they gots cash, and the hoes cause they're the real bad guys (they dont tell you the price in advance, and end up overcharging you cause "that alley ain't dark enough" or "that grass ain't green enough" stupid hoes! )
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dopes are suing to ban "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"
Originally posted by lord of the mark
A game is an immersive medium. Many players do, at least to some extent identify with their character
The same can be said about movies and books. Perhaps even more so, infact. Children and adults alike will often leave the theatre immitating one of the characters, or quoting their favorite lines, ect...
thats doesnt mean they cant tell fantasy from reality
I was just wondering why you seem to be equating the game character with the player.
if theres no "willing suspension of disbelief" its probably not a good game. And i suspect this is even more true for the kids who make up a good portion of the audience for GTA.
High speed chases, gang wars, drug trafficing, ect... should be enough for any kid to realise it's nothing more then a game, and far from their reality - if it isn't, then some video game is going to be the last of their worries.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dopes are suing to ban "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"
Originally posted by Osweld
it's nothing more then a game,.
Its a piece of culture - like a book, a movie, a song. It influences how we think and feel - thats what CULTURE does. Culture matters.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
ESRB can suck a big one for all anyone cares. the only people that pay attention to thier ratings are overprotective mothers. Ive been playing "Adult" games since they started rating things.
Clearly an honest bunch of people, who need the full resources of the state to protect them from those who would steal their intellectual property NOT.
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