Rio starts ID checks on US flyers

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Sava -

Well, since both were/are "corporatist states" obviously bent on "economic slavery", you must believe mass murder is an insignificant detail.

It is. It was only achieved because of historical conjoncture. On this, read Arno Mayer's book (who is Jewish himself). One could think the exact same thing would happen if the US met those historical conditions.

We're largely ignorant because (shock) our leaders don't want us to know what they've been doing in our name, but how is that any different than other countries? On the other hand, can you name one country with the comparative power held by the US that has shown such restraint wrt foreign policy? Hell, the US has liberated dozens of countries in the last 60 years... Do you want to blame the corporations for that too?

Dozens? Hmmmm... I'd say at best half that number, and even then consider that most liberations were half hearted. And probably twice were actually enslaved. If we compare the post-Stalin Soviet Union with the US, I think the USSR showed more restraint and commited less crimes.

[Pekka]

I didn't read the article. Does this only concern US citizens, or ALL travellers?

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You're a dork. They aren't doing anything more than the Amis are doing to them (making travellers get fingerprinted and ID'd)

Thanks. I also love you

What I mean is that they are doing this kind of registrations so they appear at the news and the world gets aware of it. And once the world asks why they are doing that, the answer is "hey the Americans started before!"

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


It is. It was only achieved because of historical conjoncture. On this, read Arno Mayer's book (who is Jewish himself). One could think the exact same thing would happen if the US met those historical conditions.

Dozens? Hmmmm... I'd say at best half that number, and even then consider that most liberations were half hearted. And probably twice were actually enslaved. If we compare the post-Stalin Soviet Union with the US, I think the USSR showed more restraint and commited less crimes.

Oh, Good Lord. The door of the looney bin must be open.

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
If we compare the post-Stalin Soviet Union with the US, I think the USSR showed more restraint and commited less crimes.

I know a couple of Russians who would not agree with you about it. They even say that don't want to put a star in the Christmas tree because that remind them of soviet times. And they also put a lot of effort to remind everyone who wants to hear that fortunately the USSR doesn't exist and that Russia had more than 1000 years of history before 1917.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Oh, Good Lord. The door of the looney bin must be open.

I'll have to precise my thoughts here. The Holocaust is a huge tragedy, true. But it was started when Germany smelled defeat coming up. Guess what? Hitler first thought of deporting the Jews, either in Madagascar or the Urals- just like the US is doing with the Muslims. Is there a difference? In scale, yes. In the ideology behind it? Not much.

In 50-100 years from now, when China becomes a real threat to US hegemony, America will be on the merge of being a fascist state anyway. And if they start 'losing'... someone's gonna pay. We just don't know who yet.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by OliverFA


I know a couple of Russians who would not agree with you about it. They even say that don't want to put a star in the Christmas tree because that remind them of soviet times. And they also put a lot of effort to remind everyone who wants to hear that fortunately the USSR doesn't exist and that Russia had more than 1000 years of history before 1917.

Yes, and in a few years from now they'll be putting a star to remember Putin the Great, the man who brought democracy and justice to Russia.

[notyoueither]

*Buzzzt* Wrong.

The death squads were hunting down and killing Jews, and others, long before defeat began to enter the picture.

As for the rest of your cooked up fantasy based on... dubious similarities, well, debating it would be beyond pointless.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Pekka
I didn't read the article. Does this only concern US citizens, or ALL travellers?

bah, who gives a ****... it's brazil... I'm not going there...

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither
*Buzzzt* Wrong.

The death squads were hunting down and killing Jews, and others, long before defeat began to enter the picture.

As for the rest of your cooked up fantasy based on... dubious similarities, well, debating it would be beyond pointless.

False. The massacres before August 1941 were limited in scale. Contrary to popular belief, Germany smelled defeat- albeit in a somewhat unconscious manner-, not in Stalingrad or even in 1942, but when the difficulties around Kiev and in Staraya Russa arose.

About my similarities... of course they are dubious, for now. Fascism is waiting at every corner, that's my point. I think in America it could arise from "passive nihilism" (in a Nietzschean meaning) and the ensuing desire of security that follows. Think of rich quarters enclosed by armed miradors. This is not the point of this thread, true. But I doubt that it's not worth debating. It is a very serious concern. Things like genocides have been known to happen independantly of those who claim that 'such things are over'.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
In the ideology behind it? Not much.

I'm no fan of the US, and I think the US deportation of Muslims is a terrible happenance that will be one of the worst shames of the American democracy, similar to MacCarthysm.

But this is just ridiculous. There is a huge ideology gap between the suspicion and mistreatment of Muslimd in the US, and the harassment of Jews in nazi Germany. The nazis believed that Jews were a plague of mankind, something they had to get rid of for the own purity of their race. Jews were considered as an inferior vermin because of their very blood, because of their very birth.
In the US, these Muslims are considered dangerous because of paranoia some of them could turn out being enemies of the State. Not because they are considered an inherently inferior vermin plaguing mankind

[Pekka]

Sava, Nah, I'm thinking if this only concerns US citizens, it's clearly a bad move. If it concerns EVERYONE, then it's different. Like, the US checks on travellers, but that's because they need to, and have decided because of security matters. If this is only for US citizens, it's clearly just retaliation.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
False. The massacres before August 1941 were limited in scale. Contrary to popular belief, Germany smelled defeat- albeit in a somewhat unconscious manner-, not in Stalingrad or even in 1942, but when the difficulties around Kiev and in Staraya Russa arose.

About my similarities... of course they are dubious, for now. Fascism is waiting at every corner, that's my point. I think in America it could arise from "passive nihilism" (in a Nietzschean meaning) and the ensuing desire of security that follows. Think of rich quarters enclosed by armed miradors. This is not the point of this thread, true. But I doubt that it's not worth debating. It is a very serious concern. Things like genocides have been known to happen independantly of those who claim that 'such things are over'.

Well, I think your historical interpretations are beyond dubious, but whatever.

I have just one question, do you foresee renewed holocausts in the futures of any other nations, or just the US?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Pekka
If this is only for US citizens, it's clearly just retaliation.

I think it is a good way to really voice opposition to the US measure. My main problem with the US decision is that there is a list of exempted countries. Unless there is a serious security reason to let these countries be (such as local intelligence services deemed adequate), the very existence of this exemption list is an utter shame.

[notyoueither]

Some countries on the exemption list are integrating intelligence (and perhaps security) efforts with the US, I would think. That would be the case with Canada.