Rio starts ID checks on US flyers

[Ted Striker]

i think that's ridiculous

put aside your petty quirks for the sake of the public's safety

first of all it's good prevention. secondly, in case something happens, i'd like them to be able to track down who did instead of trying to figure out where "some guys" are

SECONDLY, some of the flights from Britain that were grounded just this week were because some of the names of the passengers were on a terrorist watch list. that's a perfect example of when having more information helps out

[DanS]

I sincerely believe that taking fingerprints, pictures, iris mappings, etc, of your citizens is absolutely criminal, just like are the cameras in London's streets.

The US isn't doing this to its own citizens. Rather, it's doing this to foreigners who choose to come here, knowing what information is required for entry.

Brazil can do this to Americans. I have no problem with it. Doesn't matter whether it's just to us, or to a broad swath of the world. Nobody's rights are being violated.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I have just one question, do you foresee renewed holocausts in the futures of any other nations, or just the US?

Do you care to answer that, Oncle Boris?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
first of all it's good prevention. secondly, in case something happens, i'd like them to be able to track down who did instead of trying to figure out where "some guys" are

Then why don't you begin storing stasi-like information on your won citizens?

[Berzerker]

Sava -

Berz: Gulf War I was about reinstalling the dictators of Kuwait... liberation my ass...

yes, as a world superpower... the US is more destructive than even the Roman Empire was... stop living in denial

And the liberation of France and several European countries re-installed a bunch of socialists, so what? We didn't go into Kuwait to suppress a rebellion by the populace to overthrow their dictators, we liberated Kuwaitis from a brutal dictator who invaded their country. Do you think the Kuwaiti people would have been better off under Saddam? If not, count that as a liberation. If the Kuwaiti dictators were smaller versions of Saddam, I would have had another reason to oppose Gulf War I.

OBoris -

Dozens? Hmmmm... I'd say at best half that number, and even then consider that most liberations were half hearted. And probably twice were actually enslaved. If we compare the post-Stalin Soviet Union with the US, I think the USSR showed more restraint and commited less crimes.

Well, since I didn't say how many dozen, how could you say half of that? Let's see, most of Europe including what the Soviets "liberated" from the Nazis (1 or 2 dozen), another dozen or so in East Asia, and perhaps another dozen in other parts of the world in addition to all those countries the Axis would have conquered before the weight of the world came crashing down on their venture even if the US stayed out of the war. And all Sava can do is complain about the US removal of Saddam? And who did the US enslave? Oh yeah, you equate capitalism with slavery... Of course, we aren't hanging around running elections in these countries so that is inaccurate even if we accept your equation as valid.

[Berzerker]

Oh, I forgot this one:

and even then consider that most liberations were half hearted.

And you consider "half-hearted" liberations worse than enthusiastic invasions perpetrated by so many "superpowers" of the past? Yes OB, the US liberated these countries primarily out of self-interest... You know, selfishness... Evil capitalists liberating millions of people out of greed...

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Then why don't you begin storing stasi-like information on your won citizens?

our own citizens didn't intentionally wreck 3 airplanes

and cut out the secret police references it's getting old

[Sikander]

Is Oncle Boris a French version of Ned?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
our own citizens didn't intentionally wreck 3 airplanes

They did however intentially blow up a public building in Kansas city killing more than a hundred people (all intentionally), and IIUC, your own people did start the anthrax panic.

They have done more harm to your fellows Americans than, say, the Brazilians.

[DanS]

and IIUC, your own people did start the anthrax panic.

Stop pulling things out of your ass. Fact is, nobody knows who did it.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Sikander
Is Oncle Boris a French version of Ned?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Do you care to answer that, Oncle Boris?

Well... I don't get your question exactly. Do I foresee any Holocaust? Not in the near future. Even in the US? not likely. Fascism does not = Holocaust, but that does not make it less despicable. And yes, I do see a 'Fascismification' of the US, nurtured by a so-called "security" threat.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Spiffor

They did however intentially blow up a public building in Kansas city killing more than a hundred people (all intentionally), and IIUC, your own people did start the anthrax panic.

They have done more harm to your fellows Americans than, say, the Brazilians.

The point IS, we can't pick and choose from which country terrorists are going to come from. So we ask everyone to register. if it's our own citizens then the chances of us already having detailed information on them is already very high. but if it's coming from a foreign source then it's alot harder to track down just exactly who these people actually are.

Personally I feel safer when I'm in a place where there is a high amount of security. I appreciate the cameras and the metal detectors, the bomb sniffers.

If that bothers you then either get over it or go somewhere else.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
The point IS, we can't pick and choose from which country terrorists are going to come from. So we ask everyone to register.

Even yours, so I fail to see why you don't begin with the most readily available chunk of the suspect population

If that bothers you then either get over it or go somewhere else.

Going somewhere else. That's what I'll do (unless France is in the exepted list)

[Alex]

oh, so many posts... my connection went down for a few hours, so i couldn't post here...

well, the article wrongly says that it was a "law" passed by a Brazilian federal judge. it was actually a ruling, in response to a request made by the Public Ministry (some sort of "General Attorney"). but since Julier Sebastião da Silva is a federal judge, his rulings are applicable to all national territory, that's why Americans were being fingerprinted and photographed in São Paulo and in Rio de Janeiro.

it was obviously a retaliatory measure, and, according to the judge, was something backed up by international law and diplomacy. he said he didn't want to cause any diplomatic incidents, but he is questioning why Brazilians have to be submitted to such security measures in US while other foreigners don't have to.

it may be ruinous to our tourism, yes, but i don't think so. most people don't really care about that, they just want the process to be quicker and less confusing (unfortunately, our Federal Police -- which is in charge of airport security -- doesn't have the numbers to really enforce that ruling).

most of our liberal media is supporting the measure, saying that we cannot be submitted to such humiliation and to be treated like criminals in the US.

but the Federal Government is considering to appeal from that ruling (sorry if these are not the technical terminology in English).

i can tell you something: you won't be able to find terrorists among native Brazilians.