Rio starts ID checks on US flyers

[Ted Striker]

if it's our own citizens then the chances of us already having detailed information on them is already very high. but if it's coming from a foreign source then it's alot harder to track down just exactly who these people actually are.

[Spiffor]

Ted:
Oh, so you already registered your whole population, and took its fingerprints. All right then.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Berzerker

OBoris -

Well, since I didn't say how many dozen, how could you say half of that? Let's see, most of Europe including what the Soviets "liberated" from the Nazis (1 or 2 dozen), another dozen or so in East Asia, and perhaps another dozen in other parts of the world in addition to all those countries the Axis would have conquered before the weight of the world came crashing down on their venture even if the US stayed out of the war. And all Sava can do is complain about the US removal of Saddam? And who did the US enslave? Oh yeah, you equate capitalism with slavery... Of course, we aren't hanging around running elections in these countries so that is inaccurate even if we accept your equation as valid.

There was no altruism in the Marshall plan. The reconstruction of Europe was part of the Cold War. America needed their former economic partners back on track, that's for sure. And I don't think the US could have imposed their conditions on the French or the British like they can with today's poor countries. Defeating Nazi Germany was sure a nice thing to do. But would the US have done it if it didn't fit their interests? Nope. It took Pearl Harbor and Germany's DOW to finally shake the public opinion. No country has ever been altruistic in its foreign policy, and the US doesn't escape that rule.

And about the 'liberated' countries in East Asia, I wonder what you're talking about. Are you mentioning Kissinger's actions that lead to Pol Pot? Or the Vietnam war, which was not about destroying the country to gain a political edge. Oh! I get it! You're talking about Suharto, the human rights advocate!
Then, we could always say the US saved South America by eradicating the Sandinists or putting Pinochet in power.

True, the Cold War was waged everywhere and it was disgusting, both by what the commies and the US did. Neither was any better and that's my point. (In fact, since the communists were defeated at many places even though they had popular support, I suspect the US has been more efficient in funding the right groups at the right time).

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Ted:
Oh, so you already registered your whole population, and took its fingerprints. All right then.

Most of them, yes.

You know, things like drivers licences (which in many states include a thumbprint), birth certificates, etc.

How dare they require me to register for being born though???

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


There was no altruism in the Marshall plan.

Hold it right there.

Regardless of the motives of the reconstruction, the hearts and minds of the Americans on the ground who were the ones to implement the program were almost completely altruistically motivated.

That makes a big difference rathar than some blind program just throwing money around.

[Spiffor]

Ted:
You mean, these fingerprints and such have been archived by the police? If yes, well, I'm damn glad of not being an American

[notyoueither]

WTF is the breach of privacy in your fingerprint being linked to your name in a data base available to the authorities? Most any government has a lot more than that on each and every citizen.

Do they still require foreigners to leave their passports at the front desk of hotels in France, and people to register with the local constabulary when they move within France? Or were these just myths?

[Zylka]

Fingerprints and Photographs, OH MY!I can't believe some of you are so petty that you'll use something like this to appropriate and belittle the holocaust in string equation.

Oh how horrific! They made me give fingerprints and have a photograph taken upon entrance to the country. I feel so VIOLATED - this isn't what a government should be able to do to a human being while entering their country!

Let those Brazilian or American ****s take my picture later this year. I'm not a terrorist, and therefore have nothing to fear - less a rare and short mix up which SIMPLY HAPPENS upon initiation of a new system. Glady we have whining hacks to blow such up to a "human rights abuse" echoing the magnitude of Nazi Germany.

How talented. Honestly

[Sava]

And the liberation of France and several European countries re-installed a bunch of socialists

social DEMOCRACIES... man your uninformed ramblings are getting tiresome

I suppose the defense of Britain helped keep a Stalinist regime in power, right?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


Hold it right there.

Regardless of the motives of the reconstruction, the hearts and minds of the Americans on the ground who were the ones to implement the program were almost completely altruistically motivated.

That makes a big difference rathar than some blind program just throwing money around.

If America didn't think the Marshall plan was in their interest, they wouldn't have done it. Say, for example, that communist resisters are so strong in France that they take power after the war with popular support. Is there a Marshall plan in France? (Not considering the ties the new France would have with USSR).

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Zylka
Fingerprints and Photographs, OH MY!I can't believe some of you are so petty that you'll use something like this to appropriate and belittle the holocaust in string equation.

Oh how horrific! They made me give fingerprints and have a photograph taken upon entrance to the country. I feel so VIOLATED - this isn't what a government should be able to do to a human being while entering their country!

Let those Brazilian or American ****s take my picture later this year. I'm not a terrorist, and therefore have nothing to fear - less a rare and short mix up which SIMPLY HAPPENS upon initiation of a new system. Glady we have whining hacks to blow such up to a "human rights abuse" echoing the magnitude of Nazi Germany.

How talented. Honestly

That is the sillies argument one could ever have. "I'm not a criminal, therefore I can tolerate any law enforcement program". The true problem, here, is that they'll NEVER stop, and we can never know in what hands this power may eventually fall. I bet you a thousand bucks that whithin a century or two, every newborn will have a microscopic chipset imbedded in them to know where they are.

Just look at this:

http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

and then compare with: http://www.trustedcomputing.org/home

[Zylka]

Is it equally sillies to say that we're talking about FINGERPRINTS AND A PHOTOGRAPH? "But where will they stop?!" is a little bit an unimiginative panic, regarding discussion on the present.

You're talking about microchips in babies. I mean wow.. just absolutely WOW. Argue the present issues, and the present means. When they start proposing to graft people with barcodes and magnetic collars, then you can argue about the barcodes and magnetic collars.

Otherwise, go back to your 43rd viewing of the Matrix and/or post-apocolyptic cyber dice games. People shouldn't be here to talk several centuries ahead in fear of every minute change on the verge, it's the changes themselves and the now that matters.

[Spiffor]

My fingerprints is something I want to keep to myself, thank you very much.

[DinoDoc]

You don't touch many things, do you?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris

And about the 'liberated' countries in East Asia, I wonder what you're talking about. Are you mentioning Kissinger's actions that lead to Pol Pot? Or the Vietnam war, which was not about destroying the country to gain a political edge. Oh! I get it! You're talking about Suharto, the human rights advocate!
Then, we could always say the US saved South America by eradicating the Sandinists or putting Pinochet in power.

True, the Cold War was waged everywhere and it was disgusting, both by what the commies and the US did. Neither was any better and that's my point. (In fact, since the communists were defeated at many places even though they had popular support, I suspect the US has been more efficient in funding the right groups at the right time).

Wow, that's very generous of you to equate the crimes of communism with those of the US during the Cold War. Especially since as you say communism was more popular but nonetheless failed. I wasn't fooled by those thousands of people cheering the destruction of the Berlin wall, or the hundreds of thousands of refugees who risked their lives to cross that wall, or make their way to Hong Kong etc. It was only due to the limitless resources of the USA that propoganda on that scale can occur. Ditto the numerous people I've known personally in the West who managed to escape Hungary, Poland, Soviet Union, East Germany, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, Nicaragua etc. Each one with a convincing "back story" which they managed to stick to in some cases for decades. Imagine how much such a large group of frankly excellent deep cover agents must have cost the U.S. It makes the Marshall Plan look like lunch money in comparison.