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    From BBC:

    Rio starts ID checks on US flyers

    US travellers will face tough immigration checks in Brazil

    Police in Brazil's tourism capital have begun photographing and fingerprinting all US visitors arriving at its main international airport.

    The security measure extends a law passed by a Brazilian federal judge on Thursday to check all incoming US citizens at Sao Paulo airport.

    The judge's order is in response to a US announcement that it would be vetting visitors from many countries.

    But Rio's mayor says the extra checks will damage Brazil's tourist industry.

    Brazil's Federal Public Ministry filed a complaint in a federal court over the US immigration measures, arguing its citizens were being unfairly discriminated against and urging the US to remove Brazil from its list of security threats.

    Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva agreed, saying "I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis. "

    The US-VISIT security system - to be introduced on Monday - hopes to identify travellers who have violated immigration controls, have criminal records or belong to groups listed as terrorist organisations by the US.

    Some see the decision by Brazil to counteract the US security procedure with its own law as a ***-for-tat response.

    US travellers in Rio have expressed mixed views over Brazil's decision to vet them.

    "I am sympathetic with Brazil," one US tourist said.

    "I am in disagreement with my government for making people pay a lot for a visa, making them get fingerprinted and stamped. If Brazil does it, I understand."

    Others were frustrated by the digital divide between the two countries.

    "Ours is all electronic scanning, in and out in a heartbeat," US traveller Lorin Hall said.

    "Here, it's 15 to 20 minutes per person with only one person working."

    There are also fears in Brazil the move could affect tourism during the upcoming carnival season in Rio.

    Carlos Alberto Ferreira from the Brazilian Association of Travel Agencies said: " This is not good for the city nor the state."

    "I think the Brazilian Government needs to express to the US Government that Brazilians are suffering with their restrictions in American airports but we shouldn't be doing this in retaliation."

    The US said it would watch the new Brazilian rules closely, but stressed that it was the country's right to impose such requirements.

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    Somehow, it is a childish act of retribution, but what the US is doing is horrible too.
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  • #2
    Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva agreed, saying "I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis. "
    I've never seen someone invoke Godwin's law in a news article.
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    • #3
      "I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis. "

      "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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      • #4
        Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva
        he's right

        the difference between Nazi Germany and America is very small... both are corporatist states... it's only that Hitler wanted to kill everyone else... the elite in America would rather have economic slavery. Sure, the Nazis were a more brutal form of evil... but when American apologists say to themselves... WELL WE AREN'T AS BAD AS THE NAZIS... don't you think there is a problem?

        The one parrallel between Nazi Germany and America that is extremely disturbing... is the apparant self-assurance the general population has that they are good people. While the majority of individual Americans, even most conservatives are probably good people, they are completely ignorant of what their corrupt elitist politicians' policies actually do to the rest of the world... and the less fortunate IN America.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sava
          he's right
          Now we have someone invoking the spirit of Godwin in the thread. I suggest the mods close the thread ASAP. It will only go downhill.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sava
            he's right

            the difference between Nazi Germany and America is very small... both are corporatist states... it's only that Hitler wanted to kill everyone else... the elite in America would rather have economic slavery. Sure, the Nazis were a more brutal form of evil... but when American apologists say to themselves... WELL WE AREN'T AS BAD AS THE NAZIS... don't you think there is a problem?

            The one parrallel between Nazi Germany and America that is extremely disturbing... is the apparant self-assurance the general population has that they are good people. While the majority of individual Americans, even most conservatives are probably good people, they are completely ignorant of what their corrupt elitist politicians' policies actually do to the rest of the world... and the less fortunate IN America.
            Conjecture, flame, bs... America = Nazis is one of the dumbest arguments a person could make. Hell why don't we start calling France nazi-like because they are banning religious symbols in schools, or Britain nazi-like because of their hand gun laws? The only problem with "WELL WE AREN'T AS BAD AS THE NAZIS" is that someone bothered to answer the question.

            Also, "probably good people,"??? You're a jackass.

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            • #7
              I think it's a good move to show the Americans what humiliations their government force upon foreigners
              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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              • #8
                I don't have any problem with Brazil doing this. You set the rules for entry into your country, and I don't think it's humiliating, unreasonable, or damaging at all for fingerprints and a picture. Perhaps you could work on your system to make it more efficient, though, as the one traveller suggested.

                I seriously doubt that the message received by the US will be the message that is intended, however. But hey, whatever makes y'all feel better.
                Last edited by DanS; January 4, 2004, 15:16.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #9
                  If Brazil government was formed of intelligent people they wouldn't do this. Assuming they achieve what they want (that no more Americans travel to their country) it will only result in economic losses, because the main purpose they travel there for is tourism.

                  By the way: Accusing the ones who freed Europe from nazism of being nazis is a bit too much in my opinion...
                  "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DanS
                    I seriously doubt that the message received by the US will be the message that is intended, however.
                    I seriously doubt they are sending any message to the US. The message I see is something like "look what the terrible Americans are doing to us". They are just inventing something else to blame Americans for.
                    "Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
                    "A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)

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                    • #11
                      You're a dork. They aren't doing anything more than the Amis are doing to them (making travellers get fingerprinted and ID'd)

                      If we weren't on the "you don't have to do this because you're white" list, then I'd expect my government to do the same.
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OliverFA
                        If Brazil government was formed of intelligent people they wouldn't do this.
                        I doubt that the "intelligence" of individuals has anything to do with this.

                        In any case, it's a relatively questionable move, but it can be understood, and some extra security doesn't hurt anyone.
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                        • #13
                          While te club is mostly white, there are non-white countries, such as Japan, which are also exempted because no visa is required for citizens from these countries.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #14
                            I know, Dan.

                            Racism is simply a fun accusation to throw around.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              ****. Once Bush finds out there are black people in Brazil, they're really going to be in trouble...
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
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