What do you think is the baddest ass piece of military hardware?

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Serb

Let's hope we'll never see it.
If old S-75 destroyed F-117 in 1999, why modern S-400 can't destroy B-2?


A-10 was created to destroy Soviet tanks. Tunguska was created to protect our tanks from A-10 attacks. It was build exactly for this purpose. It has radar but also optical-electronic target tracking system.
Fire control computer shows target on the screen, operator marks it and launch the missile. It's not heat seaking missile, but remote controlled missile.

well stealth technology is not 100%. ALso it may have been a heat seaking missle that shoot it down.
But I think the best chance at shooting etheir a F-117 or a B-2 is by a fighter that spots it, not a SAM.

So this missle uses a laser to track the target then. How effective is it?

But in general I dont but much faith in any SAMs for protection. The best protection from Air attack is controlling the Skies. Defensive weapons help, but it is not the same as have controll of the skies.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Jack_www
Abrams M-1, the best tank in the world:

Nah...This is the best flying tank in the world:

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Serb


Nah...This is the best flying tank in the world:

[Serb]

What's so funny?
Oh my God It's flying! It's Flying!!!

[Jack_www]

Just the way you said it was funny to me. Not the fact that is it flying.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Jack_www


The problem with the Iraq tanks is that they did not have the range of the Abrams M-1 tanks. They did not have night vision or thermal vision, thus could only enage targets at a much shorter range then the Abrams. Thus they were destroyed even before they could see the Abrams tanks.

Exactly. Their best tanks T-72 was a cheapest modification of Soviet T-72 with inferior main gun (which can't launch anti-tank guided shells) and almost without electronics.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Jack_www
Just the way you said it was funny to me. Not the fact that is it flying.

The future belongs to flying tanks.

[Serb]

And to stealth AFV:

[Jack_www]

There are two problems I see with the Russian T-72 tank. One is make more noise then the Abrams M-1 tank. THe Abrams has a gas turbine engine that is much quiter then the diesel engine the T-72 has.

Second is the fact that the T-72 uses an automatic loader. This can cause problems because their are more parts to break. I have heard too that a human is much faster at doing it then the automatic loader on the tank.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Serb


The future belongs to flying tanks.

the Arbams can fly too, I just cant seem to find any pics of it doing it. I have seen it on tv, but have found no pics.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Jack_www
There are two problems I see with the Russian T-72 tank. One is make more noise then the Abrams M-1 tank. THe Abrams has a gas turbine engine that is much quiter then the diesel engine the T-72 has.

T-72 is an old tank now. T-80U was the first tank with gas turbine engine in the world. Disel and gas turbine engines both have advantages and disadvantages. One is better for one theater of war, another is better for another TOW. T-80U has gas turbine, T-90 has disel.

Second is the fact that the T-72 uses an automatic loader. This can cause problems because their are more parts to break. I have heard too that a human is much faster at doing it then the automatic loader on the tank.

All Russian MBT have autoloaders. You like to load your guns manually, we like autoloading (yes, yes, I know Russians are lazy bastards). It's just a diferent concept.
In case if autoloader is not working, gun can be loaded manually. Perhaps trained loader can load the gun faster than 7-9 seconds, when tank isn't moving, but it doesn't nescesary mean it can load it all day long, especially when tank is moving (humans are not machines and get tired time after time).

[Serb]

Originally posted by Jack_www


the Arbams can fly too, I just cant seem to find any pics of it doing it. I have seen it on tv, but have found no pics.

I heard during last military exhibition in Abhu-Dabi, American crew of Abrams refused to make a jump, because they didn't have life insurances. (I'm not joking).

[Serb]

Does anyone know what is it?

[Serb]

Cool toy, isn't it?

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb
Really? When Russia withdrew from a treaty last time? I guess it was in 1945 when we withdrew from non-agression pact with Japan and dow them.

How about broken treaties instead of withdrawing?