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**Imran Siddiqui** · December 30, 2003, 19:52

u sed u'd take the stud rb over the stud wr(which a lot of other ppl would too). I said that I would take the wr. so u respond to that saying I dont want to be able to run the ball?!?!?!

When did I say ANYTHING of the sort? Once again, you have a major problem with miscontruing statements. All I said is that a good running game is needed to go far in the playoffs and you jump on it saying so teams without good running games can't go far ever?!

You keep going to the 'stud back' when I CLEARLY say 'running game'. What kind of bull**** is that?!

If it was done as an either/or so Washington could afford Coles (though that's not how I remember it coming down)

Well if you look at the cap numbers, if the Redskins kept Davis they couldn't afford Coles. The only reason Coles is a Redskin is because Davis is gone. And Spurrier wanted another big WR. So yeah, I think, looking back, it is fair to say that Davis was cut so Washington could afford Coles (though they would have taken Price as well).

**yavoon** · December 30, 2003, 19:55

"And even in general, I'd still take Davis over Coles. A top 10 RB is more valuable than a top 10 WR"

ur so full of crap imran. just go away.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 30, 2003, 20:03

Why am I full of crap, because I'm right?

Once again MISCONTRUING my statement. I really have to question your ability to read. Obviously I was responding to 'u respond to that saying I dont want to be able to run the ball'. Reading IS fundamental.

Where does the statement you quoted contradict ANYTHING I've said with running games in general during the playoffs? It's totally different.

Top 10 Rushers:

Lewis, Balt
Green, GB
Tomlinson, SD
McAllister, NO
Portis, Den
Taylor, Jac
Davis, Car
Alexander, Sea
Holmes, KC
Williams, Mia

Top 10 Recievers:

Holt, StL
Moss, Min
Boldin, Ari
Ward, Pit
Mason, Ten
Harrison, Ind
Johnson, Cin
Smith, Jac
McCardell, TB
Coles, Was

I think the Top 10 RBs easily trump the Top 10 WRs.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 30, 2003, 20:11

But what surprises me about Spurrier is --
He's a QUITTER!!

Actually it looks more like he was forced out as well.

**yavoon** · December 30, 2003, 20:14

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Why am I full of crap, because I'm right?

Once again MISCONTRUING my statement. I really have to question your ability to read. Obviously I was responding to 'u respond to that saying I dont want to be able to run the ball'. Reading IS fundamental.

Where does the statement you quoted contradict ANYTHING I've said with running games in general during the playoffs? It's totally different.

Top 10 Rushers:

Lewis, Balt
Green, GB
Tomlinson, SD
McAllister, NO
Portis, Den
Taylor, Jac
Davis, Car
Alexander, Sea
Holmes, KC
Williams, Mia

Top 10 Recievers:

Holt, StL
Moss, Min
Boldin, Ari
Ward, Pit
Mason, Ten
Harrison, Ind
Johnson, Cin
Smith, Jac
McCardell, TB
Coles, Was

I think the Top 10 RBs easily trump the Top 10 WRs.

ur full of **** cuz u tried to imply that this was about running games in general when obviously it started w/ davis and coles and then went to "good rb vs good wr."

thats why sir, u are full of ****.
oh and btw, it doesn't bother me. but its misconstrue. just fyi.

honestly if u were just less antagonistic this would all be solved peacably. but u go flying around attacking crap all the time that its hard.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 30, 2003, 20:19

ur full of **** cuz u tried to imply that this was about running games in general when obviously it started w/ davis and coles and then went to "good rb vs good wr."

So you are admitting that you can't follow a simple threadjack? Ah, nice to know.

Davis v. Coles IS the argument about good running games. Because the choice was made not to go for a good running game.

Look, this is easy. When I talk about running games in general, I'M TALKING ABOUT RUNNING GAMES! When I talk about good RBs v. good WRs, I'm talking about that!! Jeez, Louise!

honestly if u were just less antagonistic this would all be solved peacably. but u go flying around attacking crap all the time that its hard.

Honestly, if you could read better and follow the arguments better, this could have been solved peacefully. But you can't follow simple differing arguments and have to lump everything together assuming 'good running game' is talking about 'stud RB' even though I've made the distinction!

**yavoon** · December 30, 2003, 20:29

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

ur full of **** cuz u tried to imply that this was about running games in general when obviously it started w/ davis and coles and then went to "good rb vs good wr."

So you are admitting that you can't follow a simple threadjack? Ah, nice to know.

Davis v. Coles IS the argument about good running games. Because the choice was made not to go for a good running game.

Look, this is easy. When I talk about running games in general, I'M TALKING ABOUT RUNNING GAMES! When I talk about good RBs v. good WRs, I'm talking about that!! Jeez, Louise!

honestly if u were just less antagonistic this would all be solved peacably. but u go flying around attacking crap all the time that its hard.

Honestly, if you could read better and follow the arguments better, this could have been solved peacefully. But you can't follow simple differing arguments and have to lump everything together assuming 'good running game' is talking about 'stud RB' even though I've made the distinction!

sorry I stick to one thing at a time. I never responded once to ur whole running game piece of crap. so I don't know why u keep bringing it up.

god u r so useless as a person. can u not hold one discussion about one thing sensibly? not meander flame the other person then get mad when he doesn't want to keep running around w/ his head cut off?

**Ming** · December 30, 2003, 20:44

I see two people who NEED TO CHILL

Stop with the personal insults... or I'll make sure you won't be able to post any additional ones.

**TCO** · December 30, 2003, 21:00

Originally posted by Ming
I see two people who NEED TO CHILL

Stop with the personal insults... or I'll make sure you won't be able to post any additional ones.

What did I do now?

**yavoon** · December 30, 2003, 22:10

hey I have poll

who's the most talented team to not make the playoffs?

probable options are:
Vikings
Niners
Bengals
Dolphins
Bills

and who's the least talented team IN the playoffs?

I'd have to say Niners and Patriots

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 30, 2003, 22:13

Um... you put Niners in both polls

.

A. Dolphins (any other year in the AFC and they would have made it)
B. Denver (when they are firing on all cylinders it is a thing a beauty to watch)

**reismark** · December 30, 2003, 22:20

Ask Reismark, the resident Tampa fan here. As he'll tell you the Bucs started being championship material when their running game was working. And it ain't just Pittman, Alstott had some big games as well.

Bingo. Tampa had success at the end of last year because the running game was finally working. The forgotten stat of the Super Bowl is Pittman's 120+ yards on the ground, against a (at the time) stout Raiders defensive line, and a big reason for that was Alstott. There's two reasons we weren't able to duplicate our success this year:

-- The running game took a hit when we lost Alstott for the season in early October. This necessitated the defense carrying the load as in prior years...

-- ...which was something it wasn't able to do because of the injuries (specifically in the secondary) that it sustained. If anyone ever tells you that Brian Kelly isn't an important part of the Bucs' success, that's bull****.

It was just time for Tampa to absorb a few hits from the football gods. But no matter, Alstott and Kelly will be healthy and hungry come September and we'll be back with a vengeance.

And Imran: I still like the Patriots in the AFC, but I'd be very afraid of the Ravens right now. They seem to be putting it together at the right time and Lewis is good enough to carry their offense through a game. This season, more than any, it's all about how the matchups break down...

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 30, 2003, 22:29

I still like the Patriots in the AFC, but I'd be very afraid of the Ravens right now. They seem to be putting it together at the right time and Lewis is good enough to carry their offense through a game. This season, more than any, it's all about how the matchups break down...

This (the matchups) is also why I like Denver. They match up very well against Indy and then (since they are a 6) very well against KC. I can see them going to the Superbowl if Portis and Plummer stay healthy.

**reismark** · December 30, 2003, 23:00

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
This (the matchups) is also why I like Denver. They match up very well against Indy and then (since they are a 6) very well against KC. I can see them going to the Superbowl if Portis and Plummer stay healthy.

Denver would play New England should they make it past Indianapolis, not Kansas City.

**yavoon** · December 30, 2003, 23:01

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Um... you put Niners in both polls

.

A. Dolphins (any other year in the AFC and they would have made it)
B. Denver (when they are firing on all cylinders it is a thing a beauty to watch)

this answer my poll or some different poll?

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