Return of the King

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Theben

You'd have to not have read the books and be uber-girly to think the ending is a handkerchief moment. As you're from Sweden, you've got about a 50-50 chance.

Heh, heh! Well, seems the thought never crossed your mind that I could be female?

Still, GhengisFarb's comment isn't exactly reassuring, is it?

Carolus

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Well he's killed before they reach the shire.

Nope, not in the book. He's killed in the Shire by Grima.

[Arrian]

Yeah, come to think of it, the ending was pretty weak. The Scouring would have been a lot better - and it could have been shortened significantly. It could have been done in 15 minutes or so. Oh well.

-Arrian

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by gunkulator
What battle is that?

They said they cut that scene in editing because the movie was too long and they needed to cut some of the footage. Don't exactly know what it is as it sounds like they may have added some of their own concepts.

Yes the last 45 minutes are goodbyes, goodbyes again, and oh did we forget to say goodbyes. Goodbye..........


Goodbye, again.

[Traianvs]

They should explain Denethor's madness..
I think for people who haven't read the book, it must be pretty pointless and stupid. Denethor has watched into the palantir stone, of course, and that should be added..


Also the scene in which pip or mer is struggling with the palantir: poorly done! not very convincing, and it looks a bit ridiculous as well... He should go crazy, but not like this, anyway not by holding a flaming stone in his hand!!

[Ecthy]

he's not killed in the shire, rather in Eregion

[Kaak]

Well, i consider myself one of the lucky ones to be able to sit through the entire trilogy (with the extended edition versions of FOTR and TTT) and 13 hours of popcorn eating madness in the theatre.

Return of the King started at 10 pm on tuesday. Wow. The battle scenes were incredible. The sheer scale was amazing. Overall it was a great movie. I agree with others, you have to appreciate it independantly of the book. I'll probably go watch it about 12 more times in the theatre

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Trajanus
They should explain Denethor's madness..
I think for people who haven't read the book, it must be pretty pointless and stupid. Denethor has watched into the palantir stone, of course, and that should be added..

I rationalized his madness as a result of losing Boromir and his lands all at the same time. Everything was basically just falling apart. But if it was a peek into the Palantir, then it would make more sense. Wish that had been there.

[Ecthy]

way to go

[Arrian]

I'm pretty sure Saruman is indeed killed in the shire. The reason I'm pretty sure of it is that Wormtongue is then immediately cut down by arrows fired by... hobbits, before Merry/Pippin/Sam/Frodo can stop them.

-Arrian

[David Floyd]

No, Saruman is stabbed in the Shire by Grima, after he is thrown out of Bag End.

[Ecthy]

ah, so it's Eregion where they overtake Saruman and Wormtongue then...

[David Floyd]

Come on, I thought you knew EVERYTHING?

[Ned]

Just reading these posts makes it clear that people who have not read the books enjoyed the movie a lot more that people who did.

And yes, tears did well up in my eyes several times at the end. I really enjoyed the part where the new King bows to the four Hobbits and is joined by the assembled multitude.

Perhaps a full retelling of the book would have been better. But this movie was great as it was.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by hexagonian
The one thing that did bother me about Denethor is that in the book, he had one of the palantir, and it was the fact that he saw the plans that Sauron had for the West that ultimately drove him to madness. IMO, that would of worked more believability into his madness, rather than simply using Jackson's (over)-emphasis on the favored son issue and grief over Boromir that he had.

Perhaps it will be in the EE. He did mention to Gandolf that he knew more then Gandolf thought he did. So perhaps it will be explained in the EE. Maybe not.


Thanks for the explaination of the shire thing. Ive read up on it. It seems to me it was best left out of the context of the movie. I have heard some say they hate and some say they liked it. I guess I'll see when I read the books. But for the context of the movie, it was best left out. If they had done it and only done a little then a lot of people would be complaining and rightly so. It sounds like that would have took a lot more than just a few scenes to do well.