Spain and Poland can join the United States for all I care

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Or they might liberalize their over regulated economies but I doubt it.

To reduce France's and Germany's stagnation to this is an impressive oversimplification

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Y'all need a split legislature, like ours.

That would require some common goal. As I listen to the Euros here I see no common goal.

[Sprayber]

As Comrade pointed out, France and Germany spend a lot of time being just like the US when it comes to wanting to make sure they get what they want. I dont think any of those small countries can go into the EU lightly, but I think they may not have that much of a choice over the long run. So if Poland and Spain can get more than I say good for them..

[Kramerman]

cool avatar sprayber

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


Good idea that. I heard recently, that Poland hides WoMDs. I found evidence in form of chemical and biological residue in my Polish christmas goose.

We immediately should send two million inspectors.

With tanks.

*points at avatar*

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Sandman
France has the highest birth rate of any EU member. Their population is growing.

To bad most of the population growth is coming from Arabs and not Frenchmen.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Spiffor

To reduce France's and Germany's stagnation to this is an impressive oversimplification

Sure, there are lots of other factors but this is the single biggest influence upon their continueing stagnation. Over regulation of just about every area of their economies has strangled growth, discouraged job creation, and chased off investment.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Kramerman
cool avatar sprayber

Thanks.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Sure, there are lots of other factors but this is the single biggest influence upon their continueing stagnation. Over regulation of just about every area of their economies has strangled growth, discouraged job creation, and chased off investment.

I can't tell for Germany, but for France...
In 2002, foreign investment has fallen of 10% in France. Horror. The government goes amok about France's decay, and how it is the 35 hours week and the regulation's fault.

As a matter of fact, the decline of foreign investment in France has mostly to do with a poor international conjuncture (how do you write it anyways?). It happens that foreign investment has reduced by 30% on the whole Euro-Zone
So, we're more competitve than our European neighbours, and we even end up taking foreign investment from the pretended invoestor paradise that is Britain. How come? Simply because our public services offer cheap and good externalities. Charles De Gaulle airport is becoming the major hub of continental western Europe, having completely sucked traffic from Brussels and taking significant traffic from Schipol NL. Our trains are fast and reliable, as are our power grid, telephone network, and we've finally massified ADSL.

Maybe you think this info was given by some leftist interest group, wary of the government's free-market program. Nope, it was given by the official commission, whose leader is the wife of a minister.

Sure, France is still no Foreign Investment Paradise (otherwise our FI wouldn't have decreased at all), but it is a misconception to believe we scare the investors away.

[Bereta_Eder]

There'll be a lot more frenchies born than any other europeans. so be nice to them, they'll be your negotiators

[Dinner]

In 2002, foreign investment has fallen of 10% in France. Horror.

What economists are saying is that France's foreign investment rate is depressed because of the massive over regulation. Thus the 10% reduction is a reduction of an already depressed rate.

Sure, other countries are worse off then France but that doesn't change that France's economy has been underperforming for a long time now.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by paiktis22
There'll be a lot more frenchies born than any other europeans. so be nice to them, they'll be your negotiators

That's the spirit!
Napoleon couldn't conquer Europe, we'll do it by sending our spawn everywhere and own j00 in the end

The Germans believed they would at last have their Reich spanning over Europe. Fools

[Kuciwalker]

Nah, everyone knows Macedonia has to make a comeback sometime

[Heresson]

Good old Poland-bashing. Sometimes really intellectual,
like a Belgian (or a guy bearing a Belgian flag at least)
comments on prostitucy of Polish women, while the wife of his kronprintz is halfly Polish.

Look; Poland and other new members of EU got bad conditions of accession. For several years, they're be members of second cathegory. Accessing EU isn't beneficial for Poland or any other middleeuropean state
as much as for old EU members for various reasons. The only good thing in the deal was the number of representatives in the parliament. Why should we resign of it? Because "it is good for EU"? Who says so?
Germany, for which it is certainly good.
You think Nice's wrong? You shouldn't have settled it in the first place. Is it less democratical? Only if You treat EU as a one state, which it obviously isn't. Why should all other states fall under French-German tyranny? It'd be like giving people votes depending on their weight. SOME sort of population representation is needed, but I don't think I like the idea of Europe where Germans and French, and in future turkey, can do whatever they want no matter what the rest thinks. I may be wrong, but some Germans still haven't resigned of ww2 losses.
I don't think Poland or Czechs or whoever should help them get better position in EU just to pay for it soon afterwards.

Anyway; You signed the treaty, and it's the one is official. You don't like it - YOU can leave EU

[Kramerman]

go poland!

i like poland. i like spain too. i have some polish in me, as well as spanish, but i like poland better.