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  • #61
    R. Novak is hardly the most trust-worthy source. He's a right-wing hack.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Spiffor

      ...or more simply, the Telegraph has added whatever name they found among the prominent Iraqis to make their forged story look more credible

      You shouldn't be puzzled too much by anything written in the Telegraph's article, until you see something about it somewhere else.
      well at least they dont repeat stories about 9/11 as a US conspiracy, etc, etc.
      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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      • #63
        Originally posted by lord of the mark
        then allawi will deny it tomorrow and the story will die.
        If he's even aware that a British rag misquoted him. And nobody would bother reporting the denial IMHO. The proof of Iraq-AQ links is newsworthy, but the denial of an Iraqi official's misquote is not. Maybe the Telegraph would print the denial if forced by the law.
        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Spiffor

          ...or more simply, the Telegraph has added whatever name they found among the prominent Iraqis to make their forged story look more credible

          You shouldn't be puzzled too much by anything written in the Telegraph's article, until you see something about it somewhere else.
          quoted looked pretty specific to me.
          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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          • #65
            Originally posted by lord of the mark
            well at least they dont repeat stories about 9/11 as a US conspiracy, etc, etc.
            I'm not suprised they'd have found "exclusive proof" of US involvement in Sept. 11 if they were leaning that way
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Spiffor

              If he's even aware that a British rag misquoted him. And nobody would bother reporting the denial IMHO. The proof of Iraq-AQ links is newsworthy, but the denial of an Iraqi official's misquote is not. Maybe the Telegraph would print the denial if forced by the law.

              When the Guardian misquoted Wolfowitz that got plenty of play among those who dislike the Guradian, and i bet people who dont like the DT will play up evidence of a misquote. And i presume Iraqi pols are QUITE interested in what widely quoted Brit papers say about them.
              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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              • #67
                Originally posted by lord of the mark



                No ones annexing Iraq.
                OK, you're definitely starting to show some arguments here!
                All right, I will change my phrasing: replace annexation by "puppeting of a government accompanied by economic vassalization". Is that more appropriate?
                Yet I fail to see how petty cosmetics such as these could detract from my main point. I'm not doing this again.
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • #68
                  heres a gem of a cartoon from Le Monde



                  I guess the Telegraph doesnt match such a reputable French paper, does it?
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #69
                    I'm sorry about what I said by this story not being repeated by the rest of the media.

                    After a quick google research, it appears the story has been widely picked by the 2 most serious sources, i.e. Freerepublic and Worldnetdaily.

                    As for Le Monde:
                    Le Monde has pieces of opinion scattered throughout the journal, and the separation between information pieces and opinion pieces is clear. The information content of Le Monde is great (both in quantity and quality). A cartoon has no pretense of being informative but of being one person's opinion.
                    Le Monde's senior cartoonist, btw, is the most famous political cartoonist in France and has worked for them for more than 20 years. Even when they don't agree with him (which happens quite often), the bosses can not get rid of him.
                    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                    • #70
                      is le monde diplomatique all opinions?
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by lord of the mark
                        heres a gem of a cartoon from Le Monde


                        I guess the Telegraph doesnt match such a reputable French paper, does it?
                        What's wrong with this cartoon? Seems witty and funny to me.
                        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Spiffor
                          I'm sorry about what I said by this story not being repeated by the rest of the media.

                          After a quick google research, it appears the story has been widely picked by the 2 most serious sources, i.e. Freerepublic and Worldnetdaily.

                          As for Le Monde:
                          Le Monde has pieces of opinion scattered throughout the journal, and the separation between information pieces and opinion pieces is clear. The information content of Le Monde is great (both in quantity and quality). A cartoon has no pretense of being informative but of being one person's opinion.
                          Le Monde's senior cartoonist, btw, is the most famous political cartoonist in France and has worked for them for more than 20 years. Even when they don't agree with him (which happens quite often), the bosses can not get rid of him.


                          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3159262.stm
                          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by lord of the mark
                            heres a gem of a cartoon from Le Monde
                            What's wrong with it, other than Israel can do no wrong?
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by lord of the mark
                              is le monde diplomatique all opinions?
                              No.
                              Though I wonder if you are being sarcastic. In any way, its objectivity level can never be any lower than most American mass media.
                              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                              • #75
                                Well, the fact that Jenin is not leveled, its population is not ash in a creamatorian, there was never a wall build around it and the Americans are not Nazis....

                                Has this what the Iraq cririsism crowd has to resort too now that the facts have escaped you? Comparing AMericans to Nazis? Does that make the mulsim Iraqis Jews, interest dicotomy.

                                -Pat
                                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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