Well, maybe Iraq had Al-Qaeda ties after all.

[Shi Huangdi]

If this is a forgery, it's an extremely bad time to do one. It'd be best to have a bombshelll like this come out after the primaries and the Dems nominated an anti-war candidate. Doing it now gives the Dems time to elect a moderate.

Also, were you to forge something, you should use a printer or a typewriter. Handwriting can be analyzed by professionals which I am sure this will be. It should be easy to do testing to determine if this is genuine.


I think Matthews mentioned something like this. The Telegraph is a respected newspaper, and so it's probably at least true the governing council found this. This could be the real deal.

[Agathon]

Can you say "forgery"?

Imagine a socialist secular Arab leader helping out a man who works for an organisation that has dedicated itself to removing socialist secular Arab leaders.

The Telegraph is not a respected newspaper, it's an unofficial Tory pamphlet.

[Combat Ingrid]

Have they compared the writing style with Tony Blair's yet?

[Ming]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
Have they compared the writing style with Tony Blair's yet?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
It's not the first time the Telegraph had exclusive documents linking Iraq with whatever evil they find (France, Russia or Al Qaeda).

I remeber that thread, right after the fall of Baghdad, where they pretended to have recovered a top-secret document showing the active collaboration of France with Iraq against the US. I (less distinctively) remeber there were other threads about some other 'breathtaking news' by the Torygraph.

Either censorship works very, very well; either nobody at all in the world is interested in such proof; or the Telegraph makes up its exclusive documents.

Until a legitimate news source (even CNN or the Washington Post will do) reports on it, I'll believe it's a fraud like last time.

If that's the case, I don't have to rethink it thanks

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon
Can you say "forgery"?

Imagine a socialist secular Arab leader helping out a man who works for an organisation that has dedicated itself to removing socialist secular Arab leaders.

The Telegraph is not a respected newspaper, it's an unofficial Tory pamphlet.

Imagine a fascist German leader helping a state that is dedicated to the overthrow of fascist leaders.

Imagine a bitterly anti-communist bourgeois British leader helping out a communist state dedicated to the overthrow of bourgeois leaders.


Or, to get back to al qaeeda

Imagine a conservative Arab monarchy helping out a man dedicated to removing that particular Arab monarchy.


Politics make strange bedfellows.

Which doesnt ELIMINATE the possibility that this particular document is a fraud. Its too soon to say.

[Shi Huangdi]

Like I said, if Bush were going to produce fraudulent evidence of an Al Qaeda connection, the best time would be AFTER the Democrats nominate someone anti-war, so that they could campaign against an anti-war candidate after the war has been proven needed. If this evidence start to get shown in the American public anytime soon, the Democrats would have time to react by nominating a pro-war candidate.

Also, I though the telegraph, while certainly having an opinion, it is more like the rightist version of The Guardian and is still considered respected?

[Spiffor]

Shi:
I think the forgery is done by the Telegraph rather than by Bush. If Bush wanted to forge documents, he'd spread the forgeries to all conservative susal suspects, starting with Faux News.

I wonder how that day's Telegraph's front page looked like. I'd wager there was a huge title dedicated to their exclusive document

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Like I said, if Bush were going to produce fraudulent evidence of an Al Qaeda connection, the best time would be AFTER the Democrats nominate someone anti-war, so that they could campaign against an anti-war candidate after the war has been proven needed. If this evidence start to get shown in the American public anytime soon, the Democrats would have time to react by nominating a pro-war candidate.

Also, I though the telegraph, while certainly having an opinion, it is more like the rightist version of The Guardian and is still considered respected?

well there are folks around here who think the Guardian is a rightist rag.

[lord of the mark]

"Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man Presidential Committee, said the document was genuine."

Allawi is a member of the IGC, leader of the Iraqi National Accord (a rival of the Iraqi National Congress) and a longtime pal of the CIA.

Genuine or forged, this is bigger than the Telegraph, unless they got the Allawi quote wrong.

[Patroklos]

It must be nice to take all evidence that doesn't fit into your personal opinion and proclaim it must be fraudulant.

Maybe we could take a more enlightened position and see if it gets verified? Just an idea.

-Pat

[chequita guevara]

If it were real, they'd have given it to someone besides the Telegraph.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If it were real, they'd have given it to someone besides the Telegraph.

More likely, Che, no other media outlook would publish it.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Patroklos
It must be nice to take all evidence that doesn't fit into your personal opinion and proclaim it must be fraudulant.

Given the Telegraph's history of having "exclusive" documents nobody else in the world bothered to comment upon, I think distrust is the most prudent approach.

If the story is reported by any serious news source (as I said, I consider even CNN and the Washington Post to be serious news sources), this document would be an incredible proof that one element of Bush's PRopaganda wasn't an utter lie.

Until then, excuse me while I give it as much importance as the Guardian's shocking revelation of Blair's eating little babies

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ned
More likely, Che, no other media outlook would publish it.

Surely, Faux News would haven't even mentioned it. No way this raving leftist network induces Bush was right

Also, you can expect any serious source to report on such document, even if they don't make a huge cover on it.