Payback - French, Germans and Russians barred from Iraq contracts

[DAVOUT]

PLATO

Because I know you can do better, I authorize myself to tell you that you are extremely pretentious. How can you dare and judge, you citizen of a country having a short historical existence, a nation whose first king was crowned a millennia ago? And how can you explain that we are still here, despite the innumerable lost battles, at an honourable rank (I don’t know how rates are determined) enabling us to bother you to a degree bordering hysteria? There are probably some facts that you prefer not to consider for they would not match your comfortable prejudices.

OK, Chirac is not good, but your revered President Bush is not perfect either.

As a nation, we have been what you are, … and you will be what we are, in 800 years ... or sooner.

[Drake Tungsten]

despite the innumerable lost battles

Even the French themselves can't pretend that their military history is anything other than crap.

[Drake Tungsten]

http://media.songnlife.com/xfile/****ingUSA.wma

Replace the **** with the "F word" (As the neocons so nicely put it )

I love that ****ing song. Thanks, Tass.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

despite the innumerable lost battles

Even the French themselves can't pretend that their military history is anything other than crap.

You apparently did not get my point : the fact that we are still here shows that the defeats were not important, and that the victories were decisive.

;p

[Q Classic]

one should also note that the decisive victories were all carried out under a foreigner or an insane *****.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

despite the innumerable lost battles

Even the French themselves can't pretend that their military history is anything other than crap.

Yanks.

In comparison with French military history your military history it's a story of childish games in a little sandbox. It's your luck that you're too far away from Europe, otherwise Napoleon would have kick your pity asses easily.

Bash America!!!
Long live France!!!

[Serb]

Originally posted by laurentius
Well Rossija is at least equally evil!

Fortunately for the rest of the world we are not.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
one should also note that the decisive victories were all carried out under a foreigner or an insane *****.

Yes, from a certain point of view, all generals are insane.

[Q Classic]

Yes, from a certain point of view, all generals are insane.

what? are you alleging that patton didn't have both of his feet on the ground! you evil evil evil anti-american frog!

[TheStinger]

I'm not known for my pro french views but in their history they have clearly won quite a few battles and wars.

[centrifuge]

Originally posted by Tamerlin

As far as I am concerned I am not surprised that the USA excluded the countries opposed to their policy from the contracts, I would even say that this is normal as the priority should be given to those that have paid the price of this war.

Well said Tamerlin for this and your other posts.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
PLATO

Because I know you can do better, I authorize myself to tell you that you are extremely pretentious. How can you dare and judge, you citizen of a country having a short historical existence, a nation whose first king was crowned a millennia ago? And how can you explain that we are still here, despite the innumerable lost battles, at an honourable rank (I don’t know how rates are determined) enabling us to bother you to a degree bordering hysteria? There are probably some facts that you prefer not to consider for they would not match your comfortable prejudices.

OK, Chirac is not good, but your revered President Bush is not perfect either.

As a nation, we have been what you are, … and you will be what we are, in 800 years ... or sooner.

You are probably correct. I guess my anger over French duplicity has made me so. I really don't have anything against the French people. In fact, the French posters here are some of the most reasonable and thoughtful posters on the board.

My anger is based in the fact that I had always admired France and considered them one of our strongest allies.

Chirac, I think, is very bad for your people. He seeks to dominate the EU and set up an opposing "pole" to the US. Is this what most French people think?

Sorry for the overbearing tone, I had just woke up and now I've had my coffee!!

[DAVOUT]

No problem PLATO.

Democracies have always bad politicians except when they are in crisis (or only by accident ). This cannot be avoided because the most capable and honest persons are horrified at the idea to be confused with ordinary politicians. And we are not in crisis.

My compatriots are not, in majority, different from me, and were circonspect regarding sovereignty; so, we did not see, at first, the EU as a US competitor. But the US attitude and the consideration of what the EU, running full speed, could become, has probably stimulated our imagination.

Although the European nations are old, the EU is young, and is in the process of discovering its strenght. We do not look for difficult relations with the US, but more and more we will tell them our thoughs, and our desagreements if necessary. That is what I do and told my children to do. And it is easier with friends, so it should be easy with the Americans.

The current shift is caused by the theory of the unilateral preventive war which is definitely unacceptable for us, and as it is a theory it cannot be solved as most of the problems can be solved by analysis, compromise, adjustments etc. I cant see a negociated satisfactory outcome, untill a new administration adopt another policy.

Does your military primacy automatically embody a political primacy, in a time when China just told you that the two of you could lead the world? You will have to consider seriously this question.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Tamerlin
Have fun mocking me and the French...

But all of the fun is taken away if the French don't mock back.

[Ned]

Davout, Unilateral preventative war unacceptable to France?

Explain Kosovo.